Help please! Bullet shape copper w/ clad, rocks w/ shiny "silver"

Jo ann · Oct 16, 2011

I've been doing test digs in different area's while learning my MD,
there are two strange things I can't figure out.

1. the copper or brass bullet shape object that isn't a bullet and isn't a fishing lead (no holes through it) there is a bunch of these coming up as coins/nickles they where found where I found things like bolts, nuts, clad, beer foil, pull tabs.

2. Rock with "quartz"?, black stone, rust on some, but the coolest part is that there is "silver" "shiny metal" chunks and flakes all through it, these where found in another area where I know there is an old spring. There also was a light grey rock and a black rock (not coal lol) that the detector picked up, these beeped in as silver/coin. I'm starting to think that it might be wielding? I had a mechanic look at it, and his friend a genious, and they are both leaning on silver, but there isn't any silver in WV except in myths and I think it's too light.

IA Hawkeye · Oct 16, 2011

I believe the bullet shaped objects are fired armor piercing projectiles . It appears they struck a hard object flattening the point & exposing part of the hardened core . Not sure what the other objects are that you found .

turtlefoot · Oct 16, 2011

I was thinking jacketed soft points.

Doug

Jo ann · Oct 16, 2011

turtlefoot said:
I was thinking jacketed soft points.

Doug

ohh ok that would account for the uniformed flat tips that aren't bulging from impact, perhaps, the tips disolved in the soil such as the clad did on the 60-80 dimes. They where maybe just spilled on the ground. nice ty

Jo ann · Oct 16, 2011

After both suggestions I found this, looks most like the one on the left, called 30cal bullet full jacket Hollow point.
1/4 down the page
http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=65665&start=24

turtlefoot · Oct 16, 2011

This pic was taken to show the brightness of the copper. I got it brighter than I meant to when cleaning it. If you look, the lead was starting to get eaten away in the ground. I have a couple that are a lot worse. I cannot tell from your pics if there are any rifling marks on the bullets or if they were dropped and not actually fired. Either way, they are neat finds. I find a lot of casings, but relatively few of the projectiles themselves.

Doug

Jo ann · Oct 17, 2011

Thanks for the education, I supose I'll be learning a lot about bullets in the furture.

Jo ann · Oct 19, 2011

West Virginia Silver Nugget

Ok, so I think the neighbors are correct the rock is a West Virginia Silver Nugget...

............Melted beer cans stuck to quartz, :lol:

It hasn't been made official yet, but I'm going to see how much the neighbors will offer for that nugget.
I might even offer them shares to the claim.

gin&kin · Oct 19, 2011

”Rock with "quartz"?, black stone, rust on some, but the coolest part is that there is "silver" "shiny metal" chunks and flakes all through it, these where found in another area where I know there is an old spring. There also was a light grey rock and a black rock (not coal lol) that the detector picked up, these beeped in as silver/coin. I'm starting to think that it might be wielding? I had a mechanic look at it, and his friend a genious, and they are both leaning on silver, but there isn't any silver in WV except in myths and I think it's too light."

Sounds similar to what I found while out prospecting....MAGNETITE. check to see if it is magnetic. If it is, and its natural, its either magnetite or a meteorite. If its a meteor you've hit the jackpot, but I don't think so. Scrape it on some white, rough porcelain, like the underside of a plate or toilet bowl lid. If it streaks black its magnetite, brown is hematite.

gin&kin · Oct 19, 2011

Ok, just saw your picture....it's not magnetite......... :yes:

...Melted beer cans stuck to quartz

Jo ann · Oct 19, 2011

gin&kin said:
Sounds similar to what I found while out prospecting....MAGNETITE. check to see if it is magnetic. If it is, and its natural, its either magnetite or a meteorite. If its a meteor you've hit the jackpot, but I don't think so. Scrape it on some white, rough porcelain, like the underside of a plate or toilet bowl lid. If it streaks black its magnetite, brown is hematite.

Yep, I did the streak test and the scratch test, both are very close to a silver test, and lighter than an aluminum test, the thing that threw me was that one rock, has the silver type 'crystals' growing out of it, so this must of been an extremely hot fire, I'm thinking an old iron or coal furnace, to make rock and man made mineral take crystal form.

Paradux · Oct 21, 2011

The last photo is not a meteorite. Meteorites have no sharp or pointy edges on them. And there will be no vesicles like found in lava rocks, Meteorites will also have flow marks where the iron in them has melted and 'Flowed' during entry into our atmosphere.
But as for what it could be....I am at a loss..

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