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Old 10-08-2018, 01:55 AM
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Default Nox 600 VS Nokta Fors Core + VDI Chart

I have been doing some testing comparing my Nokta Fors Core and the Equinox 600. These are all air tests. My purpose is primarily to understand the NOX VDI system better, but I have also included the max depth for each target. I compare the Fors Core to help me understand the VDI's I'm used to VS what the NOX is telling me.

Once I have performed the ground testing I will post those results. I have found some very interesting info which I will share after my ground testing is complete.

**Note that the Nokta has 11X7 coil and operates on single 15khz while the Nox has the 11x11 coil and was tested on Multi.** These are my results so far:
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Old 10-08-2018, 02:32 PM
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The Nox is a dig more trash detector. That's compared to the Max, F75 and the Multi Kruzer as well as your Nokta detectors.

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Old 10-08-2018, 02:46 PM
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Why are your VDI readings on the Equinox all over the place? I'm not getting where that huge range is coming from. Take the quarter for example, I haven't ever gotten VDI readings like that.

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I would like to know the same thing about your Nox quarter IDs. Mine don't read with variances like that.
29 to 31 depending on composition.

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I would like to know the same thing about your Nox quarter IDs. Mine don't read with variances like that.
29 to 31 depending on composition.
Exactly where mine hit. It's not just the quarters in the chart either.

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IDK? equinox I do not like the battery and where it is located besides that speaker in the back filled with sand idk? I think its going to be a warranty thing after years then people going to be confronted with fixing it or buying the next new gadget. much like the throw away cars. if it costs more to fix than its worth why should I thing...:rese arch::my2cents :
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Old 10-08-2018, 11:35 PM
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All my nox ID's are within 2 digits rock solid, something is wrong with your machine.
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All my nox ID's are within 2 digits rock solid, something is wrong with your machine.
It never occured to me that the mighty Nox might be faulty, seeing that it's so new. I figured everyone had this problem. This would solve so many problems and headaches if it meant getting repaired or replaced. I wonder what Minelab would actually say if I tell them "the numbers are too jumpy". They would probably laugh and hang up. What do the rest of you Nox users think, do you have really jumpy numbers? This has been an issue for me since day 1.

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It never occured to me that the mighty Nox might be faulty, seeing that it's so new. I figured everyone had this problem. This would solve so many problems and headaches if it meant getting repaired or replaced. I wonder what Minelab would actually say if I tell them "the numbers are too jumpy". They would probably laugh and hang up. What do the rest of you Nox users think, do you have really jumpy numbers? This has been an issue for me since day 1.
I think youíre overthinking the repair process. There isnít anyone that has used the Equinox for an hour or two that wouldnít immediately say your Equinox is hosed. Call them up and explain whatís going on and youíll have an RMA pretty quick is my bet.

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Originally Posted by REAL_RAT_FINK View post
It never occured to me that the mighty Nox might be faulty, seeing that it's so new. I figured everyone had this problem. This would solve so many problems and headaches if it meant getting repaired or replaced. I wonder what Minelab would actually say if I tell them "the numbers are too jumpy". They would probably laugh and hang up. What do the rest of you Nox users think, do you have really jumpy numbers? This has been an issue for me since day 1.
Yes, you're numbers have a huge variation especially on coins and rings. For an airtest they should be bouncing maybe one digit if that. But, I noticed your recovery speed is set at one for your test. Maybe just try resetting park 2 to factory default and see what happens. Also try a complete factory reset by holding the on off button for eight seconds.

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All detectors will be fooled sometimes.
An Equinox tip here for folks.

Use of 5khz single freq to check targets, especially in sites with lots of modern trash.

See this pic.


In mulit freq using small coil on Nox, the beaver tail will yield nickel like ID and pretty steady. Emulates a nickel really (close).
Switch. To 5khz and then sweep.
Watch the ID on beaver tail compared to nickel.
Nickel still more stable, beaver tail definitley starts spreading out with ID.

Folks can try this experiment with gold ring and see what happens too.
Donít forget about your depth meter. Use it.
Deeper indicated target, things may be a little different.

If you are digging bottlecaps using Nox, you need to employ 5khz and youíll notice a noticeable higher ID vs using multi.

A forum member and myself hunted a trash ridden park last week.
I sure didnít dig a bunch of junk. Oh yeah it was there alright.

Now if I were after gold rings, I would,definitely have to dig all the junk.
But this would go,for every VLF detector made I know of.
Folks after copper and silver, leave the 22 and lower reporting alone unless you love digging aluminum twist caps. The IH coins can read a bit lower in the 19-20 range. Again use your depth meter. Shallower would tell me likelyntwist cap odds wise.

I would be inclined heavily to dig any target reporting in the 7-15 range using mulit freq that wouldnít sound off period using 5khz. That target might be a good one. I would me more inclined to dig a dodgy ID target if when sweeping using horseshoe button and I heard iron tone cutting in fast on edges. This may indeed be a compromised nonferrous target giving faulty ID.

In a nutshell, use all the tools Equinox gives you.
If you are on a search and destroy mission just digin mainly all signals have at it.
I got better things to do with my time.
There are no absolutes, any time you pass on a target for whatever reason, could a good target be missed?? Yep.
But I like to play the odds game.

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Good info sharpshooter. Echo's my results.

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I'm just curious because I almost think reading your reply that you posted on the wrong thread. Are you implying that looking at his crazy VDI readings, that somehow his detector is getting fooled in the air test?


Originally Posted by tnsharpshooter View post
All detectors will be fooled sometimes.
An Equinox tip here for folks.

Use of 5khz single freq to check targets, especially in sites with lots of modern trash.

See this pic.


In mulit freq using small coil on Nox, the beaver tail will yield nickel like ID and pretty steady. Emulates a nickel really (close).
Switch. To 5khz and then sweep.
Watch the ID on beaver tail compared to nickel.
Nickel still more stable, beaver tail definitley starts spreading out with ID.

Folks can try this experiment with gold ring and see what happens too.
Donít forget about your depth meter. Use it.
Deeper indicated target, things may be a little different.

If you are digging bottlecaps using Nox, you need to employ 5khz and youíll notice a noticeable higher ID vs using multi.

A forum member and myself hunted a trash ridden park last week.
I sure didnít dig a bunch of junk. Oh yeah it was there alright.

Now if I were after gold rings, I would,definitely have to dig all the junk.
But this would go,for every VLF detector made I know of.
Folks after copper and silver, leave the 22 and lower reporting alone unless you love digging aluminum twist caps. The IH coins can read a bit lower in the 19-20 range. Again use your depth meter. Shallower would tell me likelyntwist cap odds wise.

I would be inclined heavily to dig any target reporting in the 7-15 range using mulit freq that wouldnít sound off period using 5khz. That target might be a good one. I would me more inclined to dig a dodgy ID target if when sweeping using horseshoe button and I heard iron tone cutting in fast on edges. This may indeed be a compromised nonferrous target giving faulty ID.

In a nutshell, use all the tools Equinox gives you.
If you are on a search and destroy mission just digin mainly all signals have at it.
I got better things to do with my time.
There are no absolutes, any time you pass on a target for whatever reason, could a good target be missed?? Yep.
But I like to play the odds game.

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I'm just curious because I almost think reading your reply that you posted on the wrong thread. Are you implying that looking at his crazy VDI readings, that somehow his detector is getting fooled in the air test?
I just gave a tip to folks.
A free tip.
Based on actual use of Equinox.
Btw, Makro Mukti Kruzer, Impact users can also benefit from the tip too.
There will be another detector released soon this will apply to too.

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OK, so youíre just posting random tips off topic in threads, cool.

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OK, so youíre just posting random tips off topic in threads, cool.
Lol. Thanks for trying to get this thread back on track. We can all use free tips. Brian4brian reminded us that sand could get in the speaker and the location of the battery is not his preference. Two cents? Or too many beers

Im going to perform the ground tests and go from there. If the ranges are still way off, which I suspect they will be, Ill be calling Minelab. Ill post the results here first to double check.

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Im going to perform the ground tests and go from there. If the ranges are still way off, which I suspect they will be, Ill be calling Minelab. Ill post the results here first to double check.
If you can, I would re-install your software update.
I presume you are running an updated machine.
If not, more than likely Minelab will ask you to do this.

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Originally Posted by OzarkDetector View post
If you can, I would re-install your software update.
I presume you are running an updated machine.
If not, more than likely Minelab will ask you to do this.
Wanted to share an update, I reset the 600 to factory settings and then un-installed my 1.75 update back to 1.5. I then re-installed to 1.75 and guess what? IT"S A NEW MACHINE! lol. Pinpointing actually makes sense now, it's actually discriminating iron in the ground (before it was hitting hard on iron in the ground but for some reason did discriminate in the air test????), and I'm getting target size based on volume which it never did before. Really strange.

And I'm actually picking out targets before I dig them. Quarters 28-30, dime 24-26, Penny 20-24. So whatever happened, I'm much happier with the machine. I'm still digging a lot of trash but I have better information to decide if I should dig or not. Anyone else struggling with their machine may want to take the previous advice, Factory reset, roll back up date, and install new update.

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Wanted to share an update, I reset the 600 to factory settings and then un-installed my 1.75 update back to 1.5. I then re-installed to 1.75 and guess what? IT"S A NEW MACHINE! lol. Pinpointing actually makes sense now, it's actually discriminating iron in the ground (before it was hitting hard on iron in the ground but for some reason did discriminate in the air test????), and I'm getting target size based on volume which it never did before. Really strange.

And I'm actually picking out targets before I dig them. Quarters 28-30, dime 24-26, Penny 20-24. So whatever happened, I'm much happier with the machine. I'm still digging a lot of trash but I have better information to decide if I should dig or not. Anyone else struggling with their machine may want to take the previous advice, Factory reset, roll back up date, and install new update.
Now those are legit numbers!
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Originally Posted by REAL_RAT_FINK View post
Wanted to share an update, I reset the 600 to factory settings and then un-installed my 1.75 update back to 1.5. I then re-installed to 1.75 and guess what? IT"S A NEW MACHINE! lol. Pinpointing actually makes sense now, it's actually discriminating iron in the ground (before it was hitting hard on iron in the ground but for some reason did discriminate in the air test????), and I'm getting target size based on volume which it never did before. Really strange.

And I'm actually picking out targets before I dig them. Quarters 28-30, dime 24-26, Penny 20-24. So whatever happened, I'm much happier with the machine. I'm still digging a lot of trash but I have better information to decide if I should dig or not. Anyone else struggling with their machine may want to take the previous advice, Factory reset, roll back up date, and install new update.
When I first read your chart, I thought that it looked rather legit and normal, especially after the tests I did after the update with Canadian coins.. various coins bounce the numbers like crazy, which now helps me decide to dig or not dig.. Gent suggested that depth will help decide as well but I've found many tabs and caps shallow and deep..

I think I too shall redo my update and see if that helps... Is the reverted backwards in firmware complicated? Any links to how it's done?

Thanks for the tip TNSHARPSHOOTER, I'll be looking at the 5mhz again as well.

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