Difference between Safari and E-Trac

[bigstemz]

Originally Posted by Iron Patch

Then you must also believe every detector sees coins at the same depth.

I'm about as much as a dig all type person as there is and can see we're not going to agree on a lot of this. Given how I hunt I absolutely hate parks because picking and choosing targets drives me nuts, along with not being able to use my shovel.

The depth game is way to affected by soil conditions , weather and the user. I know so e are deeper than others, such as a garret 250 and a minelab gtx but that's an extreme example. Most of the detectors out there are close to each other in depth. If your hunting plowed fields a in or two isn't going to make a huge diff because next season the fields get plowed again. As far as park hunting goes, to me that's a dig all environment. Due to trash and how close in signal most of the targets are.

[frhamlet]

Originally Posted by bigstemz

I think this post is funny. Just because your to lazy to dig signals that don't scream silver doesn't mean technology is making it possible for you to find more. It's your dedication to technology that is making you find more. Older machines will find just as much and possibly even more because you have to dig more. All these people on here who go out for silver and brag about there silver count are hilarious to me. They most likely r overlooking great/valuable relics and gold. I can't even count how many detectoists I know that only cherry pick silver, and then have complained to me that they don't find much . Well no kidding idiots dig more to find more!


...... And don't even get me started on people's tight etrac programs that have 9/10th's of the screen blacked out ....

If you dont believe that tech makes a difference then buy the cheapest radio Shack detector and use it a while, I guarantee you will quit this hobby.

[bigstemz]

Originally Posted by frhamlet

If you dont believe that tech makes a difference then buy the cheapest radio Shack detector and use it a while, I guarantee you will quit this hobby.

Over or under simplyfying will get us nowhere. Yes there is !!!! detectors out there but I think the majority odthe major brands are pretty much equal. Yes ifyou go from price bracket to price bracket you get more technology which some now say is essential. In reality the basis of most metal detectors have not changed much from the 80s IMHO


And as a side Note. I remember my first detector is was some pos garret called the predator or something. I remember hunting w guys much older than me with expensive machines. I consistently dug silver w that machine when they were digging diddly. It's 90% the detectorist and location and 10% the detector.

[Stasysba]

Originally Posted by bigstemz

Over or under simplyfying will get us nowhere. Yes there is !!!! detectors out there but I think the majority odthe major brands are pretty much equal. Yes ifyou go from price bracket to price bracket you get more technology which some now say is essential. In reality the basis of most metal detectors have not changed much from the 80s IMHO


And as a side Note. I remember my first detector is was some pos garret called the predator or something. I remember hunting w guys much older than me with expensive machines. I consistently dug silver w that machine when they were digging diddly. It's 90% the detectorist and location and 10% the detector.

Mostly what you said is NOT TRUE, but can agree in the Detectors marked we have very little good detectors, most from 80, some from the 90.

[Curbdog]

Evidently, there is a danger in over-analyzing signals. I've gone behind my friend and his Etrac, digging up a Barber dime that his machine showed as a lesser target. I've found stuff in places that I knew he covered meticulously.

I'm just not in the camp, that paying out on a more technological unit guarantees more and better finds.

[bigstemz]

Originally Posted by Curbdog

Evidently, there is a danger in over-analyzing signals. I've gone behind my friend and his Etrac, digging up a Barber dime that his machine showed as a lesser target. I've found stuff in places that I knew he covered meticulously.

I'm just not in the camp, that paying out on a more technological unit guarantees more and better finds.

Exactly. If your friend would have dug he would have found that dime. Digging is the only real way to know what's down there.

[bigstemz]

Originally Posted by Stasysba

Mostly what you said is NOT TRUE, but can agree in the Detectors marked we have very little good detectors, most from 80, some from the 90.

Sorry but I cant understand anything in your post.

[Scott Kvalheim]

So what I read out of this whole thing is that the more signals you dig the better your odds of finding keepers - common sense. Different machines see things differently - common sense. The machine is only as good as the guy running it - common sense.
There is a difference in machines, and technology does matter. I can remember running machines from the 70's with no readout, poor discrimination technology, bulky, and heavy. Then in the early 90's there were advancements in screens, reducing the weights etc. Next big step was multiple frequencies, better readouts, better processing technology etc. I just recently bought an E Trac a little over a week ago after running a Whites XLT and finding lots and lots of good stuff with it. I can tell you in certain areas in a 2-3hr hunt I would be lucky to find one keeper coin with the XLT and that was digging every iffy signal i got, running the preamp gain way up and the sensitivity way up.Same spots with the E -Trac and silver has magically appeared again :-) Last night I dug an IH at 9-10" that was standing on edge, wish I had taken a picture. I can guarantee you I have been over that coin many times with the Whites. Is the E -Trac a better machine? No its a different machine! There are members here running Whites, members running E Trac's, members running older Minelabs, members running Garrett's. All find the goodies but they are not all the same. These machines are no different than cars - they are all different and offer different advantages. The key is finding a machine that is reliable, you trust, you learn to operate at its full potential, and that you have confidence in every time you pick it up. That confidence is what keeps you going and what make it fun.
Saying technology doesn't matter is like saying a flintlock is the same as a bolt action rifle with a quality 3x9 on it. Now if you don't take the time to shoot that rifle and don't put your time in hunting is it better than the guy shooting a flintlock who practices daily and hones his skills as a hunter? I think not. But put that same rifle in the hands of a skilled hunter who practices and there is no comparison in "potential". But still each hunter may come home with a deer year after year. Where the rifle shines is in the hands of a less experienced hunter who spends less time hunting. In this case the new rifle increases his odds dramatically of being successful.

[fishnnut]

That post Scott was spot on!

[OZARKS]

Originally Posted by fishnnut

That post Scott was spot on!

Just very hard to read without breaks or paragraphs!

[Iron Patch]

Originally Posted by OZARKS

Just very hard to read without breaks or paragraphs!

You should save the nitpicking for the posts that don't provide the correct info..

[Iron Patch]

Originally Posted by bigstemz

Sorry but I cant understand anything in your post.

Let me translate.... He's saying your Flintlock don't shoot straight.

[OZARKS]

Originally Posted by Iron Patch

You should save the nitpicking for the posts that don't provide the correct info..

If stating a fact is nitpicking then so be it. I guess all of your posts are nitpicking when you think you are stating facts as well

[Iron Patch]

Originally Posted by OZARKS

If stating a fact is nitpicking then so be it. I guess all of your posts are nitpicking when you think you are stating facts as well

I'll let everyone else decide who is doing the nitpicking.

[OZARKS]

Originally Posted by Iron Patch

I'll let everyone else decide who is doing the nitpicking.

Well since "everyone else" didn't quote me, I know who was nitpicking.

See what I did there? That's nitpicking

[No nuggets]

Advice on a metal detector is like advice on anything. If you ask 10 people, you get ten different answers.

As a new detectorist, I don't expect to make a profit. I do it for fun because I like it. It takes my mind of my daily troubles and gets me to exercise a little. So, I want a metal detector that works well, but also one that I like to use. For me, using a detector that I like is an important factor. Also, keep in mind that what I like, someone else may, or may not. It seems to me that the perfect metal detector for you may not be the perfect metal detector for someone else.

[bigstemz]

Originally Posted by OZARKS

Just very hard to read without breaks or paragraphs!

i know i agree. my online typing skillz suck. i dont care about proper anything unless its something for work or school or whatever. but big paragraphs strain the eyes

[Iron Patch]

Originally Posted by bigstemz

but big paragraphs strain the eyes

Well you poor little E-trac using, 1793 flowing hair finding, modded excal swinging, civil war plate digging, Friendly forum posting squinty eyed big paragraph reading baby fart.

[Lightningjack]

Originally Posted by Iron Patch

Well you poor little E-trac using, 1793 flowing hair finding, modded excal swinging, civil war plate digging, Friendly forum posting squinty eyed big paragraph reading baby fart.

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[Jason in Enid]

Great post Scott!

I have to say, I spent a couple weeks up there at Sparta last year and loved the detecting there! I pulled a nice amount of silver. Shoot me a PM an I'll tell you where I was having good luck, and where I wasn't.