What do you think of Tesoro MDs?

[Terry Soloman]

Originally Posted by Stasysba

my first detector was cibola and I allays detected with my friend using ace250, all hunts I was loosing compere to Garret.
Next detector was and are Minelab Explorer, I never wanted to look back to tesoro detectors, but after few years using Explorer I learned its limits and in some situation I use Tejon with small coil, but I am from Europe where we have very small and thin hammered coins.
Now when I am a bit more experience I would never suggest any tesoro detector to person new in metal detecting if you are in USA and not in relics detecting-you will dig allot foil and iron from first detecting day.
Another thing I learned about Cibola that its very sensitive to batteries life, always use fresh batteries in all hunts, 9Vbattery its not best design.

Wow Stasysba, for a first detector the Tesoro Cibola is a great one, and I am surprised by your experience. If your buddy was finding more with his Garrett Ace 250, then his coil was over the stuff and yours was not - that's all.

The Cibola and the Ace 250 are very close, but the Cibola is a deeper machine with better discrimination and pinpointing capabilities. I get about 17-18 hours from my 9V battery before I switch it out.

Maybe now that you have more experience, you should try Tesoro again.

[Stasysba]

Originally Posted by Terry Soloman

Wow Stasysba, for a first detector the Tesoro Cibola is a great one, and I am surprised by your experience. If your buddy was finding more with his Garrett Ace 250, then his coil was over the stuff and yours was not - that's all.

The Cibola and the Ace 250 are very close, but the Cibola is a deeper machine with better discrimination and pinpointing capabilities. I get about 17-18 hours from my 9V battery before I switch it out.

Maybe now that you have more experience, you should try Tesoro again.

Now I use Tesoro TEjon and maybe wil do GB on my old Cibola, but my friends ace was deeper, probably my GB in Cibola was to negative? will drill the hole in control panel for readjustment in the field when will decide to try Cibola again.

[Terry Soloman]

Originally Posted by Stasysba

Now I use Tesoro TEjon and maybe wil do GB on my old Cibola, but my friends ace was deeper, probably my GB in Cibola was to negative? will drill the hole in control panel for readjustment in the field when will decide to try Cibola again.

Your coil could be out of phase. Have you tried the Eliptical Double D coil on it? Are you in the US? You can just send it in for a tune-up.

[Bonesquat]

I've used a Umax, wish I still had it. I own a Compadre, use it regularly and find silver with it often. It's a fantastic machine. Tesoro makes quality high performance machines even if they look simple or 'dinky'. Most newbs can't understand that you don't NEED bells and whistles and screens with VDIs etc, that's mostly useless anyways.

[Stasysba]

Originally Posted by Terry Soloman

Your coil could be out of phase. Have you tried the Eliptical Double D coil on it? Are you in the US? You can just send it in for a tune-up.

I am from Europe, Cibola web coil are OK I have not one, on tejon they worked Ok and where even better then Tejon web coil. Now I use exceptionally only small coil on Tejon and I believe Cibola will do better too with it, original to big even in moderate iron.

[SkiWhiz]

Originally Posted by Stasysba

Now I use Tesoro TEjon and maybe wil do GB on my old Cibola, but my friends ace was deeper, probably my GB in Cibola was to negative? will drill the hole in control panel for readjustment in the field when will decide to try Cibola again.

C'mon Terry you know thats swear words here in N.Y. .

[machineman]

I started with a compadre then got a xt 705. I loved the compadre but wanted a bigger coil. Long story short, I sold the xterra and got a outlaw. I just couldn't get the hang of the xt. It was way too noisy and I found myself going back to the compadre. I like to try new things and have used many detectors. I just haven't used one that I liked more than my tesoros. Learn to hear what the detector is saying and you won't miss that vid. I'm not saying tesoros are better I just prefer them so far

[sllingshot47]

Originally Posted by SkiWhiz

C'mon Terry you know thats swear words here in N.Y. .

Ahem!

[Terry Soloman]

Originally Posted by SkiWhiz

C'mon Terry you know thats swear words here in N.Y. .

I think I just wet myself a little..

[sllingshot47]

Originally Posted by Terry Soloman

I think I just wet myself a little..

The Cibola is internally and externally adjustable(changing frequencies) on the g/b. On top of that it can be supertuned to near the Tejon's capabilities. (Gary's detecting site). With a knowlegeable user, I can see Robert's claim of 2 more inches over the Ace.

[SkiWhiz]

Originally Posted by machineman

I started with a compadre then got a xt 705. I loved the compadre but wanted a bigger coil. Long story short, I sold the xterra and got a outlaw. I just couldn't get the hang of the xt. It was way too noisy and I found myself going back to the compadre. I like to try new things and have used many detectors. I just haven't used one that I liked more than my tesoros. Learn to hear what the detector is saying and you won't miss that vid. I'm not saying tesoros are better I just prefer them so far

That's ok you can say it, you wouldn't be lying

[SkiWhiz]

Originally Posted by sllingshot47

The Cibola is internally and externally adjustable(changing frequencies) on the g/b. On top of that it can be supertuned to near the Tejon's capabilities. (Gary's detecting site). With a knowlegeable user, I can see Robert's claim of 2 more inches over the Ace.

Ah ha got ya sllingshot, your statement has been bookmarked, photoed, wrote on my calendar, and carved in stone .

[detectingMO]

I'm amazed how sensitive at depth the cibola is when GB. Even on tiny objects in disc. No one ever talks about all metal depth on the vaquero/cibola but the depth on it seems never ending! Relic hunters dream. I'm a coin shooter but man it's nice having such a deep relic machine on standby or even deep coins should I get a clean site.

[Stasysba]

Originally Posted by detectingMO

I'm amazed how sensitive at depth the cibola is when GB. Even on tiny objects in disc. No one ever talks about all metal depth on the vaquero/cibola but the depth on it seems never ending! Relic hunters dream. I'm a coin shooter but man it's nice having such a deep relic machine on standby or even deep coins should I get a clean site.

Cibola dont has ALL METAL and GB if you want deep detector you no look seriously in to Tesoros.

[Stasysba]

Originally Posted by sllingshot47

The Cibola is internally and externally adjustable(changing frequencies) on the g/b. On top of that it can be supertuned to near the Tejon's capabilities. (Gary's detecting site). With a knowlegeable user, I can see Robert's claim of 2 more inches over the Ace.

Yes Cibola internaly similar to Tejon, but to say its possible to super tune Cibola its overstatement- WHERE IS NOTHING TO SUPERTUNE
Garys detect in UK where you can find allot small coins and you dig all not ferrous targets-do you want to do this in US?

[BillZ]

Originally Posted by detectingMO

No one ever talks about all metal depth on the vaquero/cibola but the depth on it seems never ending!

Here is a test I posted on another thread about the Vaq's all-metal capabilities:

http://metaldetectingforum.com/showthread.php?t=62519

I got a chance today to take the Vaquero on the beach. It’s cold up here so I didn’t expect to find much, just get an idea of what the machine could do.



You can see the Chesapeake Bay Bridge in the pic. Water is brackish but no waves to stir up the sand. I am certain that the beach has been combed over pretty thoroughly by MD’ers since that last beachgoers have left for the season. There was even a guy there today and it was only about 38 degrees.

I ran in discriminate mode for a while and found a few bit of trash. The sand was pretty clean so I decided to try all-metal mode. The Vaq again was very stable as long as I stayed away from the wet sand. I dug every signal and was pleasantly surprised by the depth in all metal mode.

Here is a pic of what started as a faint but unmistakable tone.


A little digging makes the target sound clearer. After 10 inches I figured that it was a can or something big. Nope, that little bit of metal shine in the bottom of the hole is a pull tab! No ruler was handy so I stuck the digger in the hole and took the pic. It is at least 14” down by my estimation.

Digging more faint all metal tones revealed a couple of fishing weights, bottle caps, more pull tabs and a big, corroded pocket knife. I did manage to get one penny and one quarter that looked like it had been in the sand for a while. Many of the finds were roughly 12”-15” in depth

Switching to discriminate mode on one of the deep pull tabs revealed no tone. It couldn’t pick it up at all. The all-metal mode seems to add several inches. It seemed to be the way to run in a relatively clean beach.

Compared to the XLT, I felt that the vaq was easier on the ears when using all-metal. I never felt comfortable running wide open on the XLT. It was too noisy. With the Vaq you can adjust the threshold hum to suit your liking. Depth ability on the Vaq also seems a little better.

[detectingMO]

nice to see confirmation of what I was seeing. Crazy deep! Also, for hair better balance in disc GB on Frequency 2 in all metal and then flip to frequency 1 for disc. Frequency 1 is slightly negative to 2 and 3 is slightly positive to 2. Since Tesoro adds some positive balance for disc the flip to 1 will make you balanced in disc without having to "power balance".

I'll still use my F2 for most trashy or <8" coin hunts but you better believe the Ciquero is getting pulled out for follow up, fields, and very old homes/farms.

[Stasysba]

Originally Posted by BillZ

Here is a test I posted on another thread about the Vaq's all-metal capabilities:

http://metaldetectingforum.com/showthread.php?t=62519

I got a chance today to take the Vaquero on the beach. It’s cold up here so I didn’t expect to find much, just get an idea of what the machine could do.



You can see the Chesapeake Bay Bridge in the pic. Water is brackish but no waves to stir up the sand. I am certain that the beach has been combed over pretty thoroughly by MD’ers since that last beachgoers have left for the season. There was even a guy there today and it was only about 38 degrees.

I ran in discriminate mode for a while and found a few bit of trash. The sand was pretty clean so I decided to try all-metal mode. The Vaq again was very stable as long as I stayed away from the wet sand. I dug every signal and was pleasantly surprised by the depth in all metal mode.

Here is a pic of what started as a faint but unmistakable tone.


A little digging makes the target sound clearer. After 10 inches I figured that it was a can or something big. Nope, that little bit of metal shine in the bottom of the hole is a pull tab! No ruler was handy so I stuck the digger in the hole and took the pic. It is at least 14” down by my estimation.

Digging more faint all metal tones revealed a couple of fishing weights, bottle caps, more pull tabs and a big, corroded pocket knife. I did manage to get one penny and one quarter that looked like it had been in the sand for a while. Many of the finds were roughly 12”-15” in depth

Switching to discriminate mode on one of the deep pull tabs revealed no tone. It couldn’t pick it up at all. The all-metal mode seems to add several inches. It seemed to be the way to run in a relatively clean beach.

Compared to the XLT, I felt that the vaq was easier on the ears when using all-metal. I never felt comfortable running wide open on the XLT. It was too noisy. With the Vaq you can adjust the threshold hum to suit your liking. Depth ability on the Vaq also seems a little better.

Do you know sometimes targets fail in the hole deeper, 12-15 inches... common dont be so serious .

[Terry Soloman]

Originally Posted by Stasysba

Do you know sometimes targets fail in the hole deeper, 12-15 inches... common dont be so serious .

Why do you want to bash a machine we all know very well? Apparently, you are in the minority here, as all of us that own and swing Tesoro machines know the capabilities of these machines quite well.

We know you disagree, and we know you don’t think Tesoro machines are deep. We also know you own and use Tesoro machines. No need to suggest the poster didn’t know, or lied about how deep that pop top was.

[BillZ]

Originally Posted by Stasysba

Do you know sometimes targets fail in the hole deeper, 12-15 inches... common dont be so serious .

The tab did not fall into the hole. In fact, I got a clear signal from it as it sat in the bottom of the hole. This happened several times that day so no, I am not mistaken.

Just to be clear, this is in ALL METAL mode. Discriminate mode would not pick up at these depths. Also, in my experience detectors typically detect deeper in dry sand than they do in regular soil, but not by a large margin.