A Little Disturbing News About Jones Beach

[imalookin2]

Good thread. Note when detecting do not go into someones space. People on the beach deserve their day out without someone getting close to them or their kids. I give plenty of space and smile a lot. I have never had anyone say anything negative to me. Most of the time they want to talk. I do not allow kids to follow me though. I tell them to stay with their parents and they leave. Last thing I need is a parent thinking I am a weirdo. I also dress down and blend with the other sunbathers. Here is what I wear on Jacksonville beach. Blends right in! I am NOT a weirdo, I swear I am not.

[Fordgalaxy]

To bad you can't show the folks making the rules how absurd they are.

Start complaining about the knuckleheads throwing footballs, or a frisbee.

Raise some hell about the toddlers digging up the beach and leaving piles of sand for people to trip on.

Tell the life guard that the 350# woman stuffing cheetos in her face is ruining your day at the beach by blocking your view of the other beach goers.

[Terry Soloman]

Originally Posted by Hotrod Tom

I seem to remember having an argument on here last year about this subject and this very beach in particular.Posting where you find stuff just brings more people there and can also lead to loosing detecting privileges. It only takes a few to ruin it for all. This is one time when I wish I was wrong! After paying for a parking permit,a metal detecting permit and removing garbage from the sand I think we should have more rights then the average beach goer that pays $8.00 to park a car load of people that leave a pile of garbage behind. But that would take common sense which I don't think anyone has anymore.

Time of day is a huge factor. I'll give you a solid, factual example. There are so many newbies swinging their new purple Coinmasters through the crowds at Jones Beach on Long Island, that complaints to the Park Police are up 700-percent. We pay $40.00 annually for our permit to hunt the State Park beaches on Long Island, so we certainly have "the right," to be there any time we want. However, the Whites dealer on Long Island is so busy pumping out "Barney" machines, that he keeps forgetting to explain OUR code of ethics to the newbies he is fleecing. He has been telling new guys and gals to, "Go when it's crowded." The Park Police are now writing the $165.00 tickets to nimrods without a permit like NEVER before. They are checking our permits (they also demand a photo ID) like NEVER before. There is already talk of limiting our hunting hours out there.

I have a theory about hobbyists that hunt in crowds of people. They are attention seekers. They want to be engaged. Old hands for the most part (yes, there are always exceptions), try and hunt when everyone is still in bed, or has packed up and gone home. We Americans have the right to ruin it all for everyone, the right to be stupid, and the right to our beliefs. That means I have the right to believe folks who hunt at the most crowded times of the day on a beach, or in a public park, should be approached and chastised for being stupid.

Jones Beach attract MILLIONS of people each season, and is no secret. There are HUNDREDS of us, and it is a small percentage of Long Island newbies causing the problems. It is the responsibility of the LI Dealer, Clubs, and us as individuals to educate these morons.

[OZARKS]

Originally Posted by Cfmct-PI

It doesn't surprise me.... the rules on the CT side are once the lifeguards show up we have to leave...

Beaches are for swimmers and beachgoers first... its like reading over the years dirt diggers complaining about kids in totlots where they are hunting... its a totlot it was built for them not us... they get first dibs.. just like the beaches.

+1

[Hotrod Tom]

Originally Posted by Terry Soloman

Time of day is a huge factor. I'll give you a solid, factual example. There are so many newbies swinging their new purple Coinmasters through the crowds at Jones Beach on Long Island, that complaints to the Park Police are up 700-percent. We pay $40.00 annually for our permit to hunt the State Park beaches on Long Island, so we certainly have "the right," to be there any time we want. However, the Whites dealer on Long Island is so busy pumping out "Barney" machines, that he keeps forgetting to explain OUR code of ethics to the newbies he is fleecing. He has been telling new guys and gals to, "Go when it's crowded." The Park Police are now writing the $165.00 tickets to nimrods without a permit like NEVER before. They are checking our permits (they also demand a photo ID) like NEVER before. There is already talk of limiting our hunting hours out there.

I have a theory about hobbyists that hunt in crowds of people. They are attention seekers. They want to be engaged. Old hands for the most part (yes, there are always exceptions), try and hunt when everyone is still in bed, or has packed up and gone home. We Americans have the right to ruin it all for everyone, the right to be stupid, and the right to our beliefs. That means I have the right to believe folks who hunt at the most crowded times of the day on a beach, or in a public park, should be approached and chastised for being stupid.

Jones Beach attract MILLIONS of people each season, and is no secret. There are HUNDREDS of us, and it is a small percentage of Long Island newbies causing the problems. It is the responsibility of the LI Dealer, Clubs, and us as individuals to educate these morons.

I don't even know where to start commenting on this? Have you ever been to Mikes store? He goes into detail educating people about how to recover items and be responsible. He even gives each person that buys a machine a Code of ethics in writing.He's not a low pressure salesman he is no pressure. Hes not pumping out machines or fleecing anyone. Why don't you stop in one day and tell him yourself. I know already,no publicity.You could only wish to have half as good a name in this hobby as Mike doe's. I hope all the Newbies from LI see that you consider them Morons. I never saw someone work so hard to make a name for himself only to loose all credibility by being so pompous and obnoxious at the same time. And while I'm at it 3 hrs with a CTX and you can already tell a ring from a pull tab?????? All credibility gone in that statement alone! I can't wait for your rant after this post.

Ps. Where did the up 700% come from? Who have you talked to about this in the parks department. Why were you talking to them about this? I have never been asked for my permit. Is it only the Whites Coinmasters bought from Bellmore that people are complaining about, not mail order Tesoros for example. I would like to know where you get all this "Factual" information?

[fsdigital12]

I blame internet sales and tv shows.

Back in the day I'm sure you got a quick lesson on etiquette from a dealer on the do's and don'ts. And some tips on the area.

Now people watch TV, buy a machine online and start digging.

[OZARKS]

Originally Posted by Hotrod Tom

I hope all the Newbies from LI see that you consider them Morons. I never saw someone work so hard to make a name for himself only to loose all credibility by being so pompous and obnoxious at the same time. And while I'm at it 3 hrs with a CTX and you can already tell a ring from a pull tab?????? All credibility gone in that statement alone! I can't wait for your rant after this post.

Grabs the popcorn!

[Hotrod Tom]

Originally Posted by fsdigital12

I blame internet sales and tv shows.

Back in the day I'm sure you got a quick lesson on etiquette from a dealer on the do's and don'ts. And some tips on the area.

Now people watch TV, buy a machine online and start digging.

100% True. Before the internet it was sort of a secret club. If you wanted to join you had to seek it out. Now the hobby is seeking out participants with exaggerated claims. The people that are building it up will destroy it in there quest for profit. That's how I see it.

[bornhunter]

Last year on a Florida beach I met a Md'er from Michigan, he and his buddy had great equipment. One said he had written a book on Md'ing and they belonged to a club at home. I later saw the holes they left on the beach everywhere and by EACH hole was a piece of trash.
I looked this Md club up and that guy, the picture was him, and the clubs motto was something like "LEAVE IT BETTER THAN YOU FOUND IT"

We need to ask Md"ers we see where is their trash bags, etc.
I hope I see these jerks here on vacation again!

[Cfmct]

Originally Posted by OZARKS

Grabs the popcorn!

Pass the butter

[Trshunter]

Joe..I heard the same thing...seems people are hunting too close to the patrons at beach at times.

[joe4077]

Well, you guys said it all. Maybe we all should take a look at what we're doing and tighten up our routines a little bit. We can't blame the dealers for selling the machines. They're only out to make a living. And Mike goes out of his way to educate the public as to the right thing to do. I'm in his shop all the time and I've observer how he does things. In the end it is the public who uses the machines that has to abide by the code of ethics.

Everyone's input on this subjuct is greatly appreciated. There is no need for recriminations. I'm sure we are all guilty of pushing the envelope and overstepping our bounds just a tad. This message should be taken to every corner of the US where metal detecting is concerned. We as a group do not need to lose any ground in any state.

[demyansk1942]

Terry is right on and from what I see he knows a little about that beach hunting on long island. I bought a permit just in case I have the urge to head to the south shore. This is what could happen - they did it up here at one of the parks - Hunting only during the offseason - after labor day to memorial day, you watch some joker will figure something out and you know the politicians have to keep creating new laws to justify their 6 figure salary.

I dont like to hunt around a bunch of people - don't hunt when its crowded, get to the beach early5-6 am and you should have 4-5 hours of good hunting and you also dont have to pay the admission cost

[CanSlaw]

Originally Posted by Hotrod Tom

100% True. Before the internet it was sort of a secret club. If you wanted to join you had to seek it out. Now the hobby is seeking out participants with exaggerated claims. The people that are building it up will destroy it in there quest for profit. That's how I see it.

THAT! is the truest statement I have seen in a long time. Right on Tom.

[coinMD64]

Originally Posted by bornhunter

Last year on a Florida beach I met a Md'er from Michigan, he and his buddy had great equipment. One said he had written a book on Md'ing and they belonged to a club at home. I later saw the holes they left on the beach everywhere and by EACH hole was a piece of trash.
I looked this Md club up and that guy, the picture was him, and the clubs motto was something like "LEAVE IT BETTER THAN YOU FOUND IT"

We need to ask Md"ers we see where is their trash bags, etc.
I hope I see these jerks here on vacation again!

I know the motto 'leave it better than you found it" is that of Michigan Treasure Hunters MD club. I am member of that club. I always fills in holes after finding anything and take trash to dump in garbage can. Who wrote the book on MDing? I would like to know its author. Thanks!

[Briman05]

Originally Posted by imalookin2

You are at risk of losing your beaches. You guys who hunt NJ beaches are having to buy a permit and then pay to use the beach. Are you kidding me? Fight it, hire a detector friendly representative or Mayor. Ask them to stop the unfair tax when the whole time you are cleaning up their beaches. Ask to be paid instead.

The lower states do not charge to use the beaches we own and pay to replenish after storms. Tax payers pay for this so we own our beaches and are allowed to hunt at almost every public beach in our state.

What happened to the fight against the British up there centuries ago? Now taxation is rampet in your area and it was fought with blood to stop it by the Brits. You have been taxed from within by other Americans. I love Florida. I already paid with my fair and cheap state taxes for my rights to NOT need extra permits. I hope that never changes.

The towns use that money they get from the beach badges to replenish the beachs after storms and for other things in the town. Most of the towns with beaches are small towns that when the winter comes there isn't anything in the town and they know that the people who come from out of town will pay to use the beach... And if you come after the badge checkers leave then you don't have to pay to go on the beach. In monmouth county there are only 2 places with sand that you can't hunt and that is sandy hook and a town called deal beacuse the people who live on the beach own that section of the beach

[dewcon]

This old soldier can cuss like a sailor so i wouldnt recommend you approach and chastise me out there. I mind my own business.... i expect others to do the same. I pick up my trash... and theirs, cover my holes... unlike them, dont stop them in the middle of what they are doing to ask stupid questions, and dont find a reason to complain about all the ordinances they break out there. Oooo and i hunt when time permits.

Dew

[SeabeeRon]

Man, I am sure glad I live out here on the Peaceful Left Coast, you East'rs are tough Hombres!!

[joe4077]

Amen!

[bottlecapbob]

Originally Posted by Hotrod Tom

I don't even know where to start commenting on this? Have you ever been to Mikes store? He goes into detail educating people about how to recover items and be responsible. He even gives each person that buys a machine a Code of ethics in writing.He's not a low pressure salesman he is no pressure. Hes not pumping out machines or fleecing anyone. Why don't you stop in one day and tell him yourself. I know already,no publicity.You could only wish to have half as good a name in this hobby as Mike doe's. I hope all the Newbies from LI see that you consider them Morons. I never saw someone work so hard to make a name for himself only to loose all credibility by being so pompous and obnoxious at the same time. And while I'm at it 3 hrs with a CTX and you can already tell a ring from a pull tab?????? All credibility gone in that statement alone! I can't wait for your rant after this post.

Ps. Where did the up 700% come from? Who have you talked to about this in the parks department. Why were you talking to them about this? I have never been asked for my permit. Is it only the Whites Coinmasters bought from Bellmore that people are complaining about, not mail order Tesoros for example. I would like to know where you get all this "Factual" information?

AGREED! Mike is a great guy who takes the time with everyone to explain everything about the detector and the hobby. I have been to many dealers and Mike is one of the best!