How About You Tesoro Guys Giving Your Impressions On The Outlaw!

[triplehooked]

As the guy from O' Brother Where Art Thou says "I'm with you fellers!"


Lets see what the future brings for this model, shall we?

[nittany1]

It would've been nice to have tone ID. I've swung my uMax Bandido so much in the past 15 years that the upper and middle shafts are really loose and rattle, they squeek like an old rusty swingset. With all those swings I always thought it would be nice to have tone ID. And automatic ground balance. Neither of which are included on the Outlaw.

[sllingshot47]

Originally Posted by nittany1

It would've been nice to have tone ID. I've swung my uMax Bandido so much in the past 15 years that the upper and middle shafts are really loose and rattle, they squeek like an old rusty swingset. With all those swings I always thought it would be nice to have tone ID. And automatic ground balance. Neither of which are included on the Outlaw.

Yeah-thus the Golden umax for me. There are some really "new" hotspots-I searched one of them yesterday-where not only are there athletic activities but also picnic activities as well as much undesirable activities where the trash buildup is real.

[DIGGER27]

A...I don't believe this was ever intended to be the "next great coming" in Tesoro detectors.
Lots of companies re-work products, change things up a bit and put together different packages to gain market share.
The whole package with three coils and a very capable detector is the story here, not any huge upgrade or leap in technology.
If I did not already own a Vaquero with a couple of coils and I was thinking of moving into the Tesoro family, this is exactly the kind of value oriented deal I would consider.

B...Those threads and heavy editing over on Findmall had nothing to do with Tesoro...it was the insane and childish owner and his way of doing things that was behind all that...this I can guarantee.

[Dorado]

do you know in which category this detector will fit in? relics? coin jewelry? all-terrain? I pressume this outlaw can make a nice relic hunting machine

I'm interested in reading the first user reviews

[Terry Soloman]

Originally Posted by marcus118

Thought I'd share an interview I did with Robert at Tesoro yesterday about the Outlaw - http://www.hollandsbrook.com/blog/an...etal-detector/

This answers a lot of questions - Great job!

[Brittany-Guy]

Originally Posted by Seanpaul

I suppose if it doesn't give up but an inch or two in depth then I see your point and it would be a better deal. Are the outlaws gonna be selling for $501 now instead of $551? Just curious if I missed where there was a price change, thanks.

It seems that my memory is getting as bad as my back. Vaquero @ $446 and Outlay @ $551. Sorry for my mixed up numbers.

I was really off on that BUT I still think it is still a better deal because of the two extra coils, scuff covers and lower poles. As well as the added depth the Outlaw is said to have.

[Crumble]

I just dont get why a company would come out with a new product that doesn't perform as well as the existing products in their line... unless they are trying to fill an empty spot in their lineup... and if it does outperform the Tejon, Vaquero, etc. why is it cheaper? They surely would have priced it higher if it was their new deepest detector. They already have the cibola, compadre, and silver umax for beginner machines, then the deleon and golden umax as their mid range machines, and vaquero, tejon, and cortes as their high end machines. Do they really need another machine in the middle?

That is why I'm disappointed, the Electrical Engineers at Tesoro (If they have any...), are not designing anything new, just rehashing old technology. They could have built on the Cortes by adding multi tone and switching it to their HOT technology and would have an amazing detector, but we get the Outlaw...

I would kill for a machine that is super hot, and has a trigger like the Tejon, has the screen of the Cortes, and multi tones...

[Dig-on]

I don't think it is the fact that it should perform better.....it is suposed to perform differently. If it is more stable in certain areas for instance. I really don't think they are going to release a machine that is pointless. Give it some time to speak for itself.

[sllingshot47]

Originally Posted by Crumble

I just dont get why a company would come out with a new product that doesn't perform as well as the existing products in their line... unless they are trying to fill an empty spot in their lineup... and if it does outperform the Tejon, Vaquero, etc. why is it cheaper? They surely would have priced it higher if it was their new deepest detector. They already have the cibola, compadre, and silver umax for beginner machines, then the deleon and golden umax as their mid range machines, and vaquero, tejon, and cortes as their high end machines. Do they really need another machine in the middle?

That is why I'm disappointed, the Electrical Engineers at Tesoro (If they have any...), are not designing anything new, just rehashing old technology. They could have built on the Cortes by adding multi tone and switching it to their HOT technology and would have an amazing detector, but we get the Outlaw...

I would kill for a machine that is super hot, and has a trigger like the Tejon, has the screen of the Cortes, and multi tones...

According to their mission statement, they're NEVER gonna do that.

[Crumble]

I guess we'll see if it finds it's niche in the lineup... I was just hoping to see something that steps it up a notch... like whites did with the V3I, like monelab did with the Etrac/ctx, like Fisher did with the F75, etc.

[Crumble]

Originally Posted by sllingshot47

According to their mission statement, they're NEVER gonna do that.

Why would they never do that...? a machine like that would sell. It's pretty much just the merging of two of their existing machines, the Tejon and the Cortes.

[Dig-on]

They have a nice building with 36 employees. They make detectors that work great, and are reliable. From a business view they may not be doing it correctly in order to grow, but who says they want to grow? They may be content being just who they are. If they put a machine out that was gimmicked up enough to fly off the shelves, that would cause delays in the production, and possible unreliable machines. I think they are making really solid machines for the size of the company. I personally don't want them to change.

[sllingshot47]

Originally Posted by Crumble

Why would they never do that...? a machine like that would sell. It's pretty much just the merging of two of their existing machines, the Tejon and the Cortes.

I think the Golden umax is the most bellsy-whistly thing they got-maybe the Cortes also-and they just don't seem to sell like the others. It may be the clientele are more beep-dig than most detectorists. It's a war out there. Most say the coins are within the first 3-4" and that seems to be my case with the addition of mucho trash. Then, about the time you get over the depth thing, they talk about "x" machine "killing" "y" machine. I'm saving still for the Golden as I think it's a sleeper. I mean, how deep can coins go after being dropped a week or even a month in parks and tot lots-my primary focus. As the monkey who crossed the railroad track, got his tail cut off, turned to retrieve it, then had his head cut off: it's best not to lose your head over a piece of tail!

[imalookin2]

Originally Posted by allcav

I wish I could help you on the findmall forum. I noticed they were either being closed or deleted. I agree that it shouldn't be that way. however, this forum is much worse than the findmall one as far as how much slack I got.
If this forum had forums for just specific brands, it would not have been so bad.
I rufuse to give this forum $50.00 a month because the lady incharge told me I was selling on the forum when I posted a contest to win a Cortes. We DO NOT sell anything from Tesoro and she agued with me.
I actually told her to erase the contest. I don't even like posting on here much.
I will let terry Soloman, who is not employed by us, talk for me.
I understand everybodies frustration with Tesoro new machine. I like it and I am not even a coin hunter. I am a prospector. I nugget hunter.
The only reason I put the field test with the coming out with the Outlaw is so you guys would have a better understanding of the machine.
It is my belief that tones and VID are a crutch. This is a true statement. The VID do not tell you if it is gold. Neither does a tone machine.
Yes, Tesoro is a mostly a beep and dig company. You have to learn your machine regardless on how much you paid for it. The screens maybe good for a beginer, but the people who listen to their machine are finding more good stuff.
This statement by all means is not to piss anybody off. I have sat here for a week and listened to everybody all week bash Tesoro. Nobody said you have to buy our product.
We are modest American made company with only 26 people working here at the manufacturer. We are not big in no means at all. We have followed the company focus since Jack Gifford founded Tesoro in 1980 and we will continue to follow that same focus.
If you do not know what it is, go to our webpage and click the "about tesoro" link.
On a good note, I am flying out to Reno tonight for the Gold show. I will be there with 2 outlaws. 1 for the raffle on Saturday, and one as a demo I will have with me.
Stop by and say hi regardless of what brand you have.

Hi Robert, I have experience with my Golden uMax and Sand Shark and thought they were fine machines but just not what I needed so I sold them both. I bought the Sand Shark because of Terry's posts. I am no stranger to Tesoro products but what you just said really bothers me. You say you do not like to post so you will let Terry Soloman talk for you. I have been on this forum long enough to know there IS a link between Tesoro and Terry, no doubt about that in my mind! He is not posting facts and leads some to the Sand Shark where that machine is just not suitable at all. It has become a bit of a joke on here. Why mention Terry Solomon at all?

Terry never says anything about any other machines. He posts all over the net and his own website about Tesoro. Never Minelab or any other machine. I want honesty so I can buy the correct machine for my use. Not someone talking for you who has an obvious relationship with you. Employee or not he gets something for his posting and internet reviews. That is quite obvious to me Sir. HH

[ohiochris]

I like tesoro detectors. So when I say this its not a jab at them , just I think this sums up how a lot of people seem to think about it. If it were an auto company or some other company manufacturing a value added product , it would be said of them that they were not listening to what their customers wanted , they are too busy turning out what they want everybody to have ( kinda like GM ).


Yeah , were beating a dead horse , I know

[dogpound]

Originally Posted by Cladtomeetyou

I am telling you my ETRAC would tell me not to dig coins like an 1891 seated dime.
So since you think your not digging the pulltabs, start guessing what your not digging.
Please keep thinking your ETRAC is that good. Since I got my Vaquero, I am eating the ETRAC up. Please don't dig the targets that the ECRAP is telling you not to! Please!!!!

guess ya need ta learn your etrac then......i dug a 1891 seated dime 2 months ago at 8 inches in a hunted ta death park

[SkiWhiz]

Originally Posted by imalookin2

Hi Robert, I have experience with my Golden uMax and Sand Shark and thought they were fine machines but just not what I needed so I sold them both. I bought the Sand Shark because of Terry's posts. I am no stranger to Tesoro products but what you just said really bothers me. You say you do not like to post so you will let Terry Soloman talk for you. I have been on this forum long enough to know there IS a link between Tesoro and Terry, no doubt about that in my mind! He is not posting facts and leads some to the Sand Shark where that machine is just not suitable at all. It has become a bit of a joke on here. Why mention Terry Solomon at all?

Terry never says anything about any other machines. He posts all over the net and his own website about Tesoro. Never Minelab or any other machine. I want honesty so I can buy the correct machine for my use. Not someone talking for you who has an obvious relationship with you. Employee or not he gets something for his posting and internet reviews. That is quite obvious to me Sir. HH

No offense meant imalookin2 but you could say the same about me as you do about Terry. I have been using Tesoro detectors & talking up their products for years on many forums, I have talked with Robert/Rusty/James/Vince/ on the phone on more than one occasion, with that said I pride myself on my honesty about whatever I say about them & their products. I seldom make post about other brands simply because I don't use them. As far as I know Terry isn't paid by Tesoro and neither am I. I just don't mind promoting something that I believe in. In my opinion Tesoro don't deserve the grief they have been receiving over the new detector (Outlaw). I think it is great that Robert is a member here, how many other detector manufacturers have a person here on the forum to ask questions,etc.

[Terry Soloman]

Originally Posted by imalookin2

..Employee or not he gets something for his posting and internet reviews. That is quite obvious to me Sir. HH

I get nothing, no machines, no money, and I pay when I take Rusty, Vince and Robert to lunch when I am lucky enough to visit them in Prescott. What I DO get, is the satisfaction of defending a great American company that was founded in my home State of Arizona, the incredible people that work there, and the superlative machines they make - from know nothing amateurs like you, and Whites dealers that hate having their profits eaten away by the word of mouth recommendations of Tesoro owners

I have tried very hard not to type how I really feel about you AKA Nameless, Crumble, or Imalookin - whatever handle you are using today, but I'm really starting to wonder if your Mom even knows you are posting here instead of doing your homework.

The people at Tesoro have my respect. I have been using Jack Gifford machines since the C & G Wildcat - I know you weren't even born at that time, so I'll cut you a little slack.

You are very good at throwing out baseless attacks and speculation, but you have never posted one find that I can remember. Anyone else ever seen this member actually post a find? No? Too bad..

[sllingshot47]

Originally Posted by imalookin2

Hi Robert, I have experience with my Golden uMax and Sand Shark and thought they were fine machines but just not what I needed so I sold them both. I bought the Sand Shark because of Terry's posts. I am no stranger to Tesoro products but what you just said really bothers me. You say you do not like to post so you will let Terry Soloman talk for you. I have been on this forum long enough to know there IS a link between Tesoro and Terry, no doubt about that in my mind! He is not posting facts and leads some to the Sand Shark where that machine is just not suitable at all. It has become a bit of a joke on here. Why mention Terry Solomon at all?

Terry never says anything about any other machines. He posts all over the net and his own website about Tesoro. Never Minelab or any other machine. I want honesty so I can buy the correct machine for my use. Not someone talking for you who has an obvious relationship with you. Employee or not he gets something for his posting and internet reviews. That is quite obvious to me Sir. HH

Let's be fair. I have read several posts of Terry's on other machines-especially the dedicated gold machines. l don't see anything wrong with a poster being excited about his main brand of detector. And after he takes his meds, he's a really nice guy.