... the amount of trash and traffic these places receive its pretty clear that the owner don't care. ....
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(B) It is no defense to a charge under this section that the land or premises involved was owned, controlled, or in custody of a public agency.....
Chris, good post.
Ah, here's where the devil is in the details: How do you *KNOW* the "owner doesn't care" UNLESS you ask ? And as you can probably surmise, you will get a safe/obligatory "no". Thus ... gee.... they "cared", eh ? But it's going to obviously be a case of : No one cared UNTIL you asked. Doh ! See the vicious circle
Correct. You and I could be "trespassing" on "public property". Example: If you jimmy open the the window to the library or the mayor's office, and enter at 2am, you are "trespassing". Even though public property.
Why? Because it's not "intended use". Well gee, then that just opens up the pandora's box for all of us md'rs : Is metal detecting an "intended use". Some gardener or archie might gripe after all. So the way to find out is "ask", right ? Then guess what happens
Sometimes I think md'rs can be their own worst enemy
I'm not a lawyer, so this isn't legal advice, but, I think you are mistaken about jimmying open a window as simple trespassing. I'm almost certain that in most parts of the U.S.A. you would be charged with burglary. That is, if some occupant didn't terminate your life, first, which in this day and age of crime and terrorism is a distinct possibility. Someone that burglarizes a mayors office or library likely isn't up to anything good.
In my old stomping grounds it was considered burglary with the lesser included charge of trespass to unlawfully enter any building, locked and jimmied or not. If there was damage caused gaining unlawful entry then criminal mischief was added as a little bonus.
Isn't it great that I know all this useful information off the top of my head
Being new to the hobby I find myself going to great lengths to gain permission to a spot to hunt.
Of course this has not paid off with a "Yes"
Example. There is an old plantation site that is located on a industrial park in my area. It is aged at early 1800s. I wrote, called, and finally got on the agenda for the boards review.
Yep, as you guessed it. "NO"
Drive by it occasionally and think why? But I keep driving.
Not judging but if I didn't have permission I wouldn't enjoy the hunt.
I admit it's frustrating to see opportunities that we I can't access.
Ill continue to chug away with this philosophy and hopefully it will pay off.
If any of you have any research tips other than the normal I would greatly appreciate your experiences.
I have searched a few old house sites dated in the 30s but dug mostly implements and trash. Obviously research is key to finding high value locations.
Any inspiration would be great!
Being new to the hobby I find myself going to great lengths to gain permission to a spot to hunt.
Of course this has not paid off with a "Yes"
Example. There is an old plantation site that is located on a industrial park in my area. It is aged at early 1800s. I wrote, called, and finally got on the agenda for the boards review.
Yep, as you guessed it. "NO"
Drive by it occasionally and think why? But I keep driving.
Not judging but if I didn't have permission I wouldn't enjoy the hunt.
I admit it's frustrating to see opportunities that we I can't access.
Ill continue to chug away with this philosophy and hopefully it will pay off.
If any of you have any research tips other than the normal I would greatly appreciate your experiences.
I have searched a few old house sites dated in the 30s but dug mostly implements and trash. Obviously research is key to finding high value locations.
Any inspiration would be great!
Wow! Excellent!! You are a good guy! Id print off and frame that Big old "NO!" as a trophy! Gold Leaf like a diploma! Nice Work!
I hunt plenty of private properties, I NEVER once ask for permission!.... I dont want to bother a stranger late at night or early of a morning....Sure, call me too chicken to door knock, or whatever,.!.
I just dont like bothering people! I'm a good guy though, Hell, I even round up errant shopping carts at the Piggley Wiggley parking lot and get them all corralled nice and orderly just for the hell of it....
Always thinking about others! Thats Me Alright! Doing a good turn daily kind of thing, helping old Ladies across the street and not hurting anybody or any animal that dont deserve it.........Eagle Scout training employed afield! But thats just me...I never liked selling popcorn door to door, just to many details!...
Good on ya to ask and get a big old "NO!" with the door slammed in your face! ...Like any freaking prepubescent Webelo or Brownie!....As an idea, Maybe take along a few boxes of macaroons or thinmints to bribe your way into a hunting spot? Nobody can resist a free box of cookies! Right? Especially for a good cause??: Dress nice and wear that neckerchief...
KTB62,
You are rather new to the Forum here so you may not get Mud-puppy's twisted sense of humor!
KTB62,
You are rather new to the Forum here so you may not get Mud-puppy's twisted sense of humor!
BTW that's not a sense of humor
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Wow! Excellent!! You are a good guy! Id print off and frame that Big old "NO!" as a trophy! Gold Leaf like a diploma! Nice Work!
I hunt plenty of private properties, I NEVER once ask for permission!.... I dont want to bother a stranger late at night or early of a morning....Sure, call me too chicken to door knock, or whatever,.!.
I just dont like bothering people! I'm a good guy though, Hell, I even round up errant shopping carts at the Piggley Wiggley parking lot and get them all corralled nice and orderly just for the hell of it....
Always thinking about others! Thats Me Alright! Doing a good turn daily kind of thing, helping old Ladies across the street and not hurting anybody or any animal that dont deserve it.........Eagle Scout training employed afield! But thats just me...I never liked selling popcorn door to door, Huge amount of effort! Financial bookkeeping, and a return trip involved even..! Just too much responsibility for a kid to deal with!
Good on ya to ask and get a big old "NO!" with the door slammed in your face! ...Like any freaking prepubescent Webelo or Brownie!....As an idea, Maybe take along a few boxes of macaroons or thinmints to bribe your way into a hunting spot? Nobody can resist a free box of cookies! Right? Especially for a good cause??: Dress nice and wear that neckerchief...Report back and thank me later..red beret and merit badge sash optional...
BTW that's not a sense of humor