Metal Detector Arms Race

I won’t say much.
Just really a question for folks to ponder.

Wonder if not for Minelab and their BBS/ Fbs/fbs2 detector models and the EQX multi IQ models, wonder how much treasure would have been left behind over the years by folks using other models detectors ? In particular coins (all places) and treasures on the salty beaches.

In before the lock.
 
Capitalism at its finest. The weak perish. The arguments over this detector vs that detector are meaningless. If companies turn a profit good for them. When their ideas become dated the reality of the situation takes its toll.

My opinion.....a discriminating pi will make everything obsolete.
 
First of all, IMHO, I'll agree with the sentiment that the OP likes pumping the NOX. I've seen it on other threads. I'm not sure why, and don't care why, but I do find it mildly annoying. I came to that conclusion independently and before this thread. I'm not sure the point of pumping a particular make unless you work for Minelab and have an economic interest in their success, but whatever. JMO. (One would think one would do the opposite; what is to be gained by telling your competition what the best machine is? The silvers are being pulled, and they ain't coming back. Let your competition learn on their own. I certainly don't mind being helpful to newbies, but I don't divulge all my secrets).

So, I'll chime in with a gentle "stop pumping the NOX" request. Some here are growing weary of it. We know you have a NOX, and think it is wonderful. Move on, that fact is uninteresting.

Second, I'm not sure of the overall point of the thread. "Innovate or die" has been the rule since the first stone tool was invented. It is no different in the detector business, and it certainly didn't start with Garrett and the AT Pro. Anyone remember when the introduction of the DD coil was a big deal, for example?

Third, IMHO, the juice has pretty much been squeezed from the VLF orange. I think these new machines are finding a handful of coins on the margin not because they are better, but because they are different. Run any new or different machine in a hunted out park, and you will find silvers the previous folks missed simply because the signal processing is different. A particular coin at a particular angle next to a particular piece of trash will be missed forever until ice or rodents push it around, or a new signal processing algorithm comes along. But, I guarantee you that new algorithm will miss other things the incumbent machines will find. The thing is, they have already found it. I think that is what is being seen, but we'll see. I have on my list for next year some unbiased comparisons of several machines to determine if they are actually better.

Mutli frequency was a big deal, and people, including myself, were pulling silvers out of hunted out parks by the wheelbarrow full. But multi frequency was forever ago as these things go. Nothing new under the sun in the VLF world IMHO, different signal processing, faster processors, but no paradigm shift like the DD coil or FBS.

So, what is really next? Who knows, but the root problem with VLF technology, IMHO, as the deeper you go, you simply can't overcome the ambient mineralization (note that both DD and FBS were invented to attack this problem). NOX may find a silver next to a nail (so will the E-Trac, if you know what you are doing; you should see the number of rust-stained silvers I've found), but is any new VLF machine addressing the mineralization problem in a new way?

I don't think so, because VLF by its very nature is hamstrung by it.

So, IMHO, to try to answer the OP's question, the arms race will be furthered by non VLF technology in consumer machines. I'm thinking sonar (think ultrasound), but it could be anything. I'm an economist, not a physicist but have some background in physics, so I know enough to sound like an idiot to those who really know their stuff :)

We'll see, but I don't think VLF will ever find half dimes at 12 inches, but I think they are down there, and I think a technology that is not hounded by mineralization will find them.

at the risk of annoying you,i have to mention that the reason WHY others are pumping the nox,is because the damn thing is killing' it in the field!..it's NO hype!
it's just true, and everybody now KNOWS this! ..i'm just saying'..hard to argue with success!

(h.h.!)
j.t.
 
Capitalism at its finest. The weak perish. The arguments over this detector vs that detector are meaningless. If companies turn a profit good for them. When their ideas become dated the reality of the situation takes its toll.

My opinion.....a discriminating pi will make everything obsolete.

this is "dead nuts" accurate! been waitin' on this! looks like i got a long wait!
i'm just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.
 
I don't care what anyone swings.. I'll walk behind anyone and still find good stuff... what I own works for me...
 
yes i have done this!,,and with a "tesoro mojave"
$251.00 out the door!..i'm just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.
 
I don't care what anyone swings.. I'll walk behind anyone and still find good stuff... what I own works for me...

Not behind me you wouldn't.... unless I wanted to keep you busy pulling chump change ! Lol..
 
ill put in my 2c here as well. I agree multi frequency is the future along with fast signal processing, waterproof and wireless. And if i were to take a wild guess minelab will combine fbs and multi iq tech on the next flagship to create a detector that has modes for silver and modes for gold.

Not to sound like a minelab fanboy here but I am sure other companies are taking notice. I would be thrilled for whites or garrett to step up to the game with some multifreqency at an affordable cost.

In the end competition is better for us the consumers. I agree with the op the AT pro was a game changer when it came out and the equinox continues this trend.
 
Not behind me you wouldn't.... unless I wanted to keep you busy pulling chump change ! Lol..

One of your pennies you passed over was a nice big 10k school ring :D


And if you think your Nox is deeper than my modified Excal keep dreaming... :yes:
 
One of your pennies you passed over was a nice big 10k school ring :D


And if you think your Nox is deeper than my modified Excal keep dreaming... :yes:

Not the pennies I salted ! And NO , my Nox ain't deeper , that's for sure. Not really liking the Nox lately. I hunt for an hour with it , then grab my PI. I go over the same area. I'm finding all sorts of goodies the Nox doesn't get. I once had an xcal , wasn't as stable , nor reliable for me. But it was deep and made some great finds.
 
Not behind me you wouldn't.... unless I wanted to keep you busy pulling chump change ! Lol..

chump change is "still" good stuff! it's all money and it buys things!
nuthin' wrong with chump change!..i'm just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.
 
I'd like to see the American companies step up with some new technology. They're pretty much stagnant Tech wise. It's going to be hard to compete with Minelab though. I feel like they're on a whole other level as far as quality and R&D goes.
 
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it would seem that way, and this possibility makes me feel sad! could be money, could be lack of engineering talent! many variables' i would think...just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.
 
Maybe the USA companies don’t want to feel the heavy financial drain from a law suit.
Can anyone own Multi Frequency?
In B4 the Lock!
 

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I'd like to see the American companies step up with some new technology. They're pretty much stagnant Tech wise. It's going to be hard to compete with Minelab though. I feel like they're on a whole other level as far as quality and R&D goes.

I agree 100% . I like whites water machines. But look at the TDI BH ... that thing is a 5 pound brick alone just bouncing off my waist. I mean , can't they build something better , more streamlined ? Just more up to date as you said.
 
Maybe the USA companies don’t want to feel the heavy financial drain from a law suit.
Can anyone own Multi Frequency?
In B4 the Lock!

this also "may" be a factor! domestic manufacturers would have to
"circumvent" minelab's patents, and this could prove insurmountable.
i'm just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.
 
this also "may" be a factor! domestic manufacturers would have to
"circumvent" minelab's patents, and this could prove insurmountable.
i'm just sayin'

(h.h.!)
j.t.

China does it to us on a daily basis. I AM sayin'
 
I agree 100% . I like whites water machines. But look at the TDI BH ... that thing is a 5 pound brick alone just bouncing off my waist. I mean , can't they build something better , more streamlined ? Just more up to date as you said.

Mount it behind the elbow. Easy mod. Even hip mounted sucks because the coil has a heavy epoxy in it. I can swing it all day mounted behind the elbow without any problems.
To redesign the tdi box would be a huge financial drain. Luckily someone came up with the brilliant idea of putting the TDI into the BHID box :D. The bhid box was already designed, tested and I'm sure Whites had a large supply laying around.
There's a good chance the BHTDI was White's saving grace... at least for a while.
 
I could use a backhoe and sifter to find the most then I could brag about what I found. Why the constant WAR over who makes the best detector? Why not just enjoy detecting with whatever you choose to detect with, instead of the constant claiming my detector is better than your detector. Enough already give it a break.
 
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