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MrNovice

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We have all kinds of different hunters here and several different tools to get after the dirt and get that target. Being the knowledgable responsible detectorists we are, as compared to some who are not on a great forum like this and have no kind of etiquette (be it out of ignorance or just uncaring), there are things we all try to be aware of and abide by best we can.

This is not to bash or make an example of, but just to inform and help educate for those who want to know. Not knowing or being unaware of laws, in these specific cases, will not help you keep a felony off your record. And no one needs or wants or wishes that on any of us. I often carry a knife on me at night, because you just never know what we will encounter. But having one on you in the wrong place, and you could get into BIG trouble...

Knife laws are broken up by states, much like handgun laws. Here is a list of breakdown by county per state:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USKnife.pdf

Per Texas, where I live, the knife laws breakdown like this:
http://www.knifeup.com/texas-knife-laws/



Now, even above those laws per state/county...those of us that hunt elementary schools, mostly (until recently of some select schools arming themselves against threats) fall under federal laws of "gun free/drug free" zones. In these instances, county/state law still regulates knife laws on these specific properties because these are "gun free/drug free" zones and do not entail knives other than a deadly weapon, which is a knife outside of normal county/state law in that area (like a longer blade).

And then above that, there are select schools that have implemented a "zero tolerance" policy. Anything that can be used as a weapon even up to a pencil, in any threatening behavior or manner, could get you a felony. Keep in mind, in this time of microaggressions and safe spaces, it is not that a person IS actually threatened that matters, it is if they "feel" threatened.

Without getting into the politics of it, it is what it is, and the more knowlegde we all have about how we go about things, the better "armed" we are. Be safe out there, the more we know the better.
 
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Massachusetts knife laws are hilarious. They are written in the style of most laws in MA, where they are quite broad and difficult to truly understand. Thomas Paine (Pretty sure it was him) said - and I paraphrase - any law that the common man cannot understand is inherently a bad law.
 
A Sampson 31" will never be confused with a knife...

So...

I think I'll start using kittens to dig...

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Good point, thanks for posting.

Many use a Hori Hori, and a few actually use a survival knife, I would assume most officers would realize it's being used as a digging tool, but it only takes one grumpy cop having a bad day and possibly topped with a lippy "this is public property" detectorist to get someone in trouble.
 
Big Treble said:
Good point, thanks for posting.

Many use a Hori Hori, and a few actually use a survival knife, I would assume most officers would realize it's being used as a digging tool, but it only takes one grumpy cop having a bad day and possibly topped with a lippy "this is public property" detectorist to get someone in trouble.
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Problem is, it's not always up to the officer or maybe anyone with common sense for that matter. If it goes too far, you're fighting with school administrators as to whether you're made an example of or not. That is never a good situation to be in.
 
Thanks for the info. Never thought to check the laws on knives.

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MrNovice , great post , and well written ! This Question came up recently , concerning how could you protect yourself if attacked during a protest rally . We see all thease masked Guy's attacking marchers . If you struck back with a legal size knife trying to stop from being sprayed in the eyes would that be a felony ?
So what can a peaceful , non CC , holder carry for protection . Almost everything can be considered a weapon , shouvel or the MD it self . Let's say your carrying a American flag and a masked guy attacks you with pepper spray . You shove the pointed end into his eye all the way to the back of his skull , think they would say self defense ? For me I stay out of bad area's but should the occasion arise my 18inch lesche would work fine , also good for digging deep holes :lol: ,,,,,HH
 
Ricki7 said:
MrNovice , great post , and well written ! This Question came up recently , concerning how could you protect yourself if attacked during a protest rally . We see all thease masked Guy's attacking marchers . If you struck back with a legal size knife trying to stop from being sprayed in the eyes would that be a felony ?
So what can a peaceful , non CC , holder carry for protection . Almost everything can be considered a weapon , shouvel or the MD it self . Let's say your carrying a American flag and a masked guy attacks you with pepper spray . You shove the pointed end into his eye all the way to the back of his skull , think they would say self defense ? For me I stay out of bad area's but should the occasion arise my 18inch lesche would work fine , also good for digging deep holes :lol: ,,,,,HH
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Good post and question,

To honestly answer you question though, concealing your identity is illegal in almost every state in public, so they are already breaking the law. You can check the links above for your area on knife laws and carry up to what it allows, and I suggest also carrying pepper spray yourself. That would be my first tool.

As to your question: I wouldn't think resorting to lethal force to avoid being pepper sprayed would hold much ground. Unless you could have a lawyer argue that you might have an allergic reaction to pepper spray resulting in possibly death, which could certainly be argued in court. Then yes, it would be self defense.

I've watched those videos though and feel the same myself, especially since we know bystandards have been shot dead during those protests by the protesters. As long as you stay within restrictions, any means can be used as self defense. Just line them up, and do what you gotta do! :laughing:

 
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Ricki7 said:
We see all thease masked Guy's attacking marchers . If you struck back with a legal size knife trying to stop from being sprayed in the eyes would that be a felony ?
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If you stabbed or otherwise assaulted a law enforcement officer while he/she was carrying out their assigned duty you would face multiple charges for assault, possibly federal charges if the officer was from a federal agency. I always marvel at the consequences people will face when I see images of them fighting with LE or resisting being detained. I know that the effect of the mob mentality takes over but if you stabbed an officer it would not matter if the knife was legal length or not.
 
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It's best to be cautious and try to avoid situations that could be trouble.

I had to add this for a laugh though :laughing::laughing::laughing:
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Should see all the knives I have found over the years. Most are illegal to your definition.

Your pdf stopped at MO, so I couldnt look at NM laws. But in any case, I carry a very small swiss pocket knife for opening boxes at work. I have a small 3 inch gerber for probing. Both found while detecting. I have throwing knives, even a carving knife. Pretty sure you would have to stab or pull a knife or wear one on your belt where it could be seen for someone to get upset with ya.
 
Rawhide said:
Your pdf stopped at MO, so I couldnt look at NM laws. But in any case, I carry a very small swiss pocket knife for opening boxes at work. I have a small 3 inch gerber for probing. Both found while detecting. I have throwing knives, even a carving knife. Pretty sure you would have to stab or pull a knife or wear one on your belt where it could be seen for someone to get upset with ya.
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There is a tab you can click at the top and bottom of the first page to go to page two.
 
musicnut1986 said:
If you stabbed or otherwise assaulted a law enforcement officer while he/she was carrying out their assigned duty you would face multiple charges for assault, possibly federal charges if the officer was from a federal agency. I always marvel at the consequences people will face when I see images of them fighting with LE or resisting being detained. I know that the effect of the mob mentality takes over but if you stabbed an officer it would not matter if the knife was legal length or not.
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I was talking about protecting myself with the end of the flag stick . I have never been to a pro USA rally . One thing for sure if I did go I'd be prepared ( not sure how ) . We were watching those gutless masked creeps attack people carrying American flags . I think any knife you used would get ya in trouble so just thinking outside the box . ,,,,,HH
 
MrNovice is giving us a heads up about what knife maybe legal to carry . My concern is that any item we may be carrying can be considered a weapon if used . If your MDing in the woods and a masked guy dressed in black jumps out grabs your MD and starts hitting you with it and if you have a CC , knife , lesche you figure you have the right to protect yourself . Now if this old Vet was carrying a American flag , peacefully chanting USA walking down the road.This masked guy dressed in black attacks you grabs your sign hits you , what can ya do should you have a knife ? :?: ,,,,,HH
The pepper spaying I was referring to was that masked guy who creeped up behind a girl at Berkley and sprayed her while she was talking to a reporter .
 
I carry two double edged knives while diving. They are illegal in Michigan.

However, I was told they are not called knives. They are DIVE TOOLS.

Wording makes a LOT of difference. So you have a digging tool and you use it as such. It is not a knife.

It almost seems like Clinton's argument. Depends on what the definition of the word is is.
 
Ricki7 said:
I was talking about protecting myself with the end of the flag stick . I have never been to a pro USA rally . One thing for sure if I did go I'd be prepared ( not sure how ) . We were watching those gutless masked creeps attack people carrying American flags . I think any knife you used would get ya in trouble so just thinking outside the box . ,,,,,HH
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I apologize, I misunderstood you. I thought you were referring to masked LE. For some time LE in other countries have worn masks (I never really understood why) and that seems to be the trend here now, especially when in riot gear.
 
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