Ice Scratcher
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High School field parking lot & baseball coach
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Steve77
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Or non citizen. What about international tourists/students, etc.
CoiltoSoil
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True. I should have stated that they are open to everyone. Public park's can not prohibit entry to someone simply because they do not pay taxes for that town/county. It doesn't matter if the local residents taxes pay for the park. County taxes also pay for county roads, does that give them the right to ban non residents from their roadways? Trust me, all states, and counties, get a good bit of money from Washington.
Cleveland013
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Not to get involved in this heated thread BUT I wanted to comment that my Eagle Project also involved restoring a war memorial.
And dipping into the thread itself I agree with you. I wouldn't detect on the actual field but sidelines, bleacher areas, high traffic spots I would.
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Ok then uptown, let's make this easy: Ok, I admit it: I, and scores of others here on FMDF who (gasp) dig in public ground, are law-less miscreants.
Now if you'll please tell me where you detect on public land (PM me a city and park name), I can gaurantee you, that likewise, I can find someone in that city to tell you that you can't do it either. All I need to do is generously drop words like "dig", "alter", "deface", "take" "remove", "indian bone", "hole", "historic", etc.... and then you too can join the ranks of us law-less miscreants.
Or how about we ALL keep this simple, and stick to private property md'ing? Or how about needle-point? I hear that's legal.
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Here we are many pages into this thread and if the op is to be taken at full face value no one seems to have realized that the coach is the one who committed a REAL crime punishable by real jail time, loss of job opportunity ,coaching privileges and gaining a permanent criminal record. Approaching another with a baseball bat with the intent of intimidation is brandishing a deadly weapon. I'm a cc permit holder in a state with stand your ground. Coach better keep that bat loooking really unintimidating if coming to talk to me. Forty caliber Winchester hp's beat 32 inches of ash or maple every time
CoiltoSoil
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Yep, like I said in #92, The OP was kneeling down digging on public land when a stranger approached him in a threatening manner with a baseball bat. That would have been a clear cut case of self defense had the OP shot him.
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ok then
well chipper and coil-to-soil, I'm glad that after all these pages of discussion, we have finally put the matter to a rest. It's agreed upon by all parties here that:
1) we can detect public parks, schools, beaches, etc... w/o asking permission, and
2) that we can shoot anyone who questions us about that !
well chipper and coil-to-soil, I'm glad that after all these pages of discussion, we have finally put the matter to a rest. It's agreed upon by all parties here that:
1) we can detect public parks, schools, beaches, etc... w/o asking permission, and
2) that we can shoot anyone who questions us about that !
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well chipper and coil-to-soil, I'm glad that after all these pages of discussion, we have finally put the matter to a rest. It's agreed upon by all parties here that:
1) we can detect public parks, schools, beaches, etc... w/o asking permission, and
2) that we can shoot anyone who questions us about that !
Well hopefully all that can be avoided all the time and everywhere . Thankfully there are no Rambo coaches in my area. They are smart enough to kn
ow brandishing a deadly weapon is never the start of an adult conversation
And smart enough to know that could lead to a very bad placedanielboon
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Crackerjack
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Yes, agreed.
Nope, I disagree. You can mortally wound a person with your pistol bullets, but that may not stop them from bashing your brains out with the bat before they stop. It's a common misconception fostered by TV and movies that a bad guy will stop immediately upon getting shot. Unless you hit the central nervous system in just the right place, there is no guarantee of an immediate cessation of hostility.
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Well my post was really just a way of illustrating just how stupid, irresponsible, foolish, idiotic, backwards, careless, immature and flat out ignorant it is to approach a complete stranger who is not threatening you in any way whatsoever with a deadly weapon with the purpose to intimidate that person.
Of course there a many ways it could turn out with nothing good coming from any of them. Puffing your chest out and taking a baseball bat to a gun fight is never a good idea though.
TwistedTig3r
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New Hampshire must have some funny laws. You volunteer a couple hours a week, clip few weeds, and they just just hand you the deed to public property?
It's not that complicated, hunt ball fields when the season is over. Most fields will sit empty with no use for 8 to 9 months. That's plenty of time to "heal up" and be good go. No, that's not NINJA or being sneaky, that's just common sense.
It's not that complicated, hunt ball fields when the season is over. Most fields will sit empty with no use for 8 to 9 months. That's plenty of time to "heal up" and be good go. No, that's not NINJA or being sneaky, that's just common sense.
Are sports fields and parks really the only places to hunt in those cities? Or do the appeal most, because it's a quick and simple dollar or two of modern clad? I know some local economies are still struggling, and every zinc penny is a thrilling find, but there has to be less controversial places to hunt. I don't think I could hunt a place, that someone has invested time and labor maintaining, without their blessing. It's not about entitlement as a taxpayer, being better than the next man, it's about respect for my fellow man.
With all the support, the OP has never returned to his thread... Guess it served it purpose, all he needed to say, to get the baseball rolling, as did nearly 20 other similar threads since December, most likely be a regular feature here at Friendly, almost as good as topics like Politics and Religion. Greedy, selfish people have ruined a lot of things, lack empathy and foresight. Main reason there are so many laws, that dictate most every aspect of our lives. We live in communities, with a whole bunch of other people, not everyone thinks alike, or have the same interests. We can make choice ourselves, that help us get along with our neighbors, when interest conflict, or we can get laws created to reduce or eliminate the problem. It's unfortunate things have to get to a point, where we need the laws, to keep the peace. Rights aren't about entitlement, they are the freedom to make a choice, work thing out for ourselves. I ask permission, to avoid potential conflicts. There are plenty of places around here I can hunt, without asking. Not so shy, that I can ask about private land either. No reason to cause a conflict, get run off, or push others into seeking rules and regulations. I try to get along with my neighbors and community, just that effort, minimal amount of respect for the other people around me, has probably been the main reason why I haven't had any sort of problem since starting this hobby 4 years ago. I don't find handfuls of gold and silver to brag about. The only high dollar items I've found, where cellphones, which I've returned (except 2 broken ones), refused rewards.
With all the support, the OP has never returned to his thread... Guess it served it purpose, all he needed to say, to get the baseball rolling, as did nearly 20 other similar threads since December, most likely be a regular feature here at Friendly, almost as good as topics like Politics and Religion. Greedy, selfish people have ruined a lot of things, lack empathy and foresight. Main reason there are so many laws, that dictate most every aspect of our lives. We live in communities, with a whole bunch of other people, not everyone thinks alike, or have the same interests. We can make choice ourselves, that help us get along with our neighbors, when interest conflict, or we can get laws created to reduce or eliminate the problem. It's unfortunate things have to get to a point, where we need the laws, to keep the peace. Rights aren't about entitlement, they are the freedom to make a choice, work thing out for ourselves. I ask permission, to avoid potential conflicts. There are plenty of places around here I can hunt, without asking. Not so shy, that I can ask about private land either. No reason to cause a conflict, get run off, or push others into seeking rules and regulations. I try to get along with my neighbors and community, just that effort, minimal amount of respect for the other people around me, has probably been the main reason why I haven't had any sort of problem since starting this hobby 4 years ago. I don't find handfuls of gold and silver to brag about. The only high dollar items I've found, where cellphones, which I've returned (except 2 broken ones), refused rewards.
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I guess that all depends upon the park. I live in a smallish city with quite a few parks. Many of them date back to the middle 1800's. "A couple bucks in clad" is not what I'm (by a long stretch) looking for when I go there. I have tremendous respect for my fellow man and my fellow citizens. I go out of my way to be accommodating to the overwhelming majority of them. There is a park a block from my house that is about 12 acres. They just put in one of those disc (Frisbee) golf courses on it. They used some of my money cutting 150 year old oaks, pouring concrete "tee boxes", buying the things that simulate greens and putting up signs at each hole showing the layout. This feature is predominately for adults to use but also children. It is also a dedicated feature that is likely to see little use that was put there to entice people to USE THE PARK . Now, if at 7am Saturday I only have two hours to hunt and want to go to that park, instead of wasting 45 minutes round trip driving somewhere, am willing keep to myself, not get in anyone's way, treat the property with respect and leave it just as good, if not better than I found it, what exactly is wrong with that? Now what if I'm also willing to hike down to the tot lot and take my $2,000 detector and sweep the kiddie area, when no kids are there, with the primary purpose being to make sure there is nothing that is dangerous to the kids such as some heroine addicts needle, or make sure that at last nights crack house/ coven love in some whack job didn't scatter razor blades since my last visit because the ghost of Aleister Crowely told him it would be funny, does that still make park hunters beneath the "private property" elite's? My household income is a quarter million dollars a year. Those three bottles in my avatar are worth about $10,000 and that's a very small portion of my collection. If you see me in a park rest assured I'm NOT looking for clad. I do this for the enjoyment of digging up items that were lost decades or centuries ago. Some of you need to quit stereotyping those who you see hunting in a park and you need to quit looking down your noses at them. (This is not directed at you personally Harvey). Just needed to add some more perspective to this conversation.
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Spin it however you want. Bottom line is coach isn't getting any closer than 20 ft. without finding out I'm carrying and if he chooses to keep coming and swings he gets double tapped in the chest with a 40 Cal Sig p229 pushing Winchester XP-1 hollow points. While they are picking up chunks of lung I'll be working on my defense. Bottom line is only an IDIOT approaches someone committing the "high crime" of metal detecting on nonposted public property with a baseball bat or hammer with the intent of confronting them. Coach is mentally deficient and a moron. So now I'm why you have to battle for gun rights? Is this innuendo comparing this to things like the Zimmerman/Martin case? I think it is so let me dispel that fallacy right now. In our OP the coach is George Zimmerman and the detectorist is Treyvon Martin or can't you see that? George Zimmerman thought Treyvon Martin was doing something wrong and confronted TM instead of letting the authorities handle it. Maybe coach should put down the bat and pick up his cell and call the police if he thinks someone is breaking the law. Telling me I'm why you have to fight for gun rights is way out of line. Don't ever approach me, when we are complete strangers, while brandishing a weapon and you'll never know I'm carrying, let alone be harmed. Rights that you don't have the guts to exercise when justified in doing so might as well be taken away. They do you no good at all anyhow. I'd say the problem in the OP lies squarely with the "tough guy" coach. It cannot be stressed enough. NEVER APPROACH A COMPLETE STRANGER WHO IS DOING NOTHING WRONG TO CONFRONT HIM WHILE CARRYING A BASEBALL BAT. Only morons do such things-don't be a moron.
mountain digger
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Hey Uptown,
Try hard to visual this in your mind before responding about this again...
From the OP: "I Look and there he is with his baseball bat, THE COACH!
DO YOU HAVE PERMISSION he says. I look up and say I did not call the school. NOW mind you im on the outter fringe of the gravel parking lot..."
The coach initiated the confrontation in spite of what Harv says. Any LEO worth his salt would see who initiated the confrontation. The OP 'appears' to have every legal right to do what he is doing...(I only use the word 'appears' because I don't have all the facts). In other words, THE COACH APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN THE INITIATOR OF THE CONFRONTATION. Another way to say it...If it's legal, it's not illegal.
Since you raise the issue about soccer, ARE YOU ALSO A SOCCER COACH?
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Since you raise the issue about soccer, ARE YOU ALSO A SOCCER COACH?
Or maybe a soccer mom?
He/she never mentioned what sex they were...
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mountain digger
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Maybe, or may be that bully tactics work on some?
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