Vaquero at the beach?

Coon8448 · May 20, 2012

I usually only relic hunt but Im going to the beach for vacation and Im going to try to md there. I have never md at a beach so can yall tell me the beach hunting basics. How will the vaquero do at the beach should I stay in the dry sand or can I get into the wet sand or even shallow water?

Thanks.

Terry Soloman · May 20, 2012

You should focus on the dry sand with the Vaquero, where it will be superior to most machines on the beach around you. In the wet sand, not so much. I have a couple of articles on my site if you want to know why, but basically, a single frequency VLF machine becomes unstable in wet saltwater sand or saltwater, and must be "dumbed down" in to stay stable, which means depth loss. Good Luck!

imalookin2 · May 20, 2012

Terry Soloman said:
You should focus on the dry sand with the Vaquero, where it will be superior to most machines on the beach around you. In the wet sand, not so much. I have a couple of articles on my site if you want to know why, but basically, a single frequency VLF machine becomes unstable in wet saltwater sand or saltwater, and must be "dumbed down" in to stay stable, which means depth loss. Good Luck!

"You should focus on the dry sand" since that is the ONLY place it will work. Your Vaquero will do well on the dry sand. On the wet where white turns to grey it will not work. As far as being superior to most machines I assume Terry is talking about single frequency machines. It will never be equal to ML BBS machines or PI machines. They will out deep you very easily and since most of the beach hunters here in Florida use BBS machines and many other beaches too. You are at a disadvantage there since your machine is made for dirt, not salt water. I used to use a golden uMax, it was fun on dry sand but MY BBS machines will out perform it on depth easily, even on dry sand. The Sovereign GT out performs the Vaquero on dirt too but is is heavier and slower to recover. Your machine is a great light machine for dirt. Facts not spin. I will leave the spin to others. HH

Terry Soloman · May 20, 2012

I'm trying to think of the last time I saw someone swinging an Excal or Sov on the dry sand that wasn't swinging it at least six-inches off the sand and slicing. Facts not spin. I will leave the spin to others :laughing:

imalookin2 said:
"You should focus on the dry sand" since that is the ONLY place it will work. Your Vaquero will do well on the dry sand. On the wet where white turns to grey it will not work. As far as being superior to most machines I assume Terry is talking about single frequency machines. It will never be equal to ML BBS machines or PI machines. They will out deep you very easily and since most of the beach hunters here in Florida use BBS machines and many other beaches too. You are at a disadvantage there since your machine is made for dirt, not salt water. I used to use a golden uMax, it was fun on dry sand but MY BBS machines will out perform it on depth easily, even on dry sand. The Sovereign GT out performs the Vaquero on dirt too but is is heavier and slower to recover. Your machine is a great light machine for dirt. Facts not spin. I will leave the spin to others. HH

imalookin2 · May 20, 2012

Terry Soloman said:
I'm trying to think of the last time I saw someone swinging an Excal or Sov on the dry sand that wasn't swinging it at least six-inches off the sand and slicing. Facts not spin. I will leave the spin to others

You are the KING of spin Terry. You are also quite fun. I like you even if you are a mouth piece for Tesoro. We all know it and it makes for fun. I am not sure but what does poor detecting have to do with the thread? heheee, your replies are ... .. well I have no words.

imalookin2 · May 20, 2012

Coon8448 said:
I usually only relic hunt but Im going to the beach for vacation and Im going to try to md there. I have never md at a beach so can yall tell me the beach hunting basics. How will the vaquero do at the beach should I stay in the dry sand or can I get into the wet sand or even shallow water?

Thanks.

you are going to need a sand scoop. Dry sand you can use a hand scoop or make one using a grain scoop and drill holes in it. I suggest you get a scoop with a long handle. Since you can not hunt wet sand you will save buying a good light scoop which are cheaper than wet scoops. Look at RTG scoops online. You will find something in your budget. Hunt the towel line at the beach early. You might just find something great. Good luck to you and just have fun!

Terry Soloman · May 20, 2012

imalookin2 said:
You are the KING of spin Terry. You are also quite fun. I like you even if you are a mouth piece for Tesoro. We all know it and it makes for fun. I am not sure but what does poor detecting have to do with the thread? heheee, your replies are ... .. well I have no words.

Of course you have no words, because I'm right and you just like to read your own typing. The people that actually count get exactly what I'm saying. I am not paid by Tesoro, I don't work for Tesoro. I run an adventure travel business that teaches people how to find gold with metal detectors - among other things. We use the Minelab GPX 4000, 4800, and 5000 as our pulse induction machines, and the Tesoro Lobo Super Traq as our VLF gold finder.

I know what I'm talking about because I don't sell insurance or work at the bank. I'm not a metal detector dealer steering clients to my highest profit machine, or a cop, or a clerk, I'm a prospector that runs a company that teaches about 1,000 people a year how to metal detect.

Scream at the wind all you want and insult me till you are blue - so what? The more you do it, the more you prove MY point. :cool:

Crumble · May 20, 2012

Terry, you aren't fooling anyone. I saw on your website you charge something like $350 a day to nugget hunt, who would pay that...

Last time you said you write press releases for a living.

The way you talk about detecting, and the technical side of metal detectors, you are obviously clueless about how they actually work. I'm sure you bought a GPX5000, asked the dealer how to set it up, and never touched the settings after that... that's the only way to explain how you are so clueless about pulse delay, etc.

Cfmct · May 20, 2012

Terry Soloman said:
You should focus on the dry sand with the Vaquero, where it will be superior to most machines on the beach around you. In the wet sand, not so much. I have a couple of articles on my site if you want to know why, but basically, a single frequency VLF machine becomes unstable in wet saltwater sand or saltwater, and must be "dumbed down" in to stay stable, which means depth loss. Good Luck!

Please stop advertising in the body of your threads... you are allowed one link in members links.

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imalookin2 · May 20, 2012

Terry Soloman said:
Of course you have no words, because I'm right and you just like to read your own typing. The people that actually count get exactly what I'm saying. I am not paid by Tesoro, I don't work for Tesoro. I run an adventure travel business that teaches people how to find gold with metal detectors - among other things. We use the Minelab GPX 4000, 4800, and 5000 as our pulse induction machines, and the Tesoro Lobo Super Traq as our VLF gold finder.

I know what I'm talking about because I don't sell insurance or work at the bank. I'm not a metal detector dealer steering clients to my highest profit machine, or a cop, or a clerk, I'm a prospector that runs a company that teaches about 1,000 people a year how to metal detect.

Scream at the wind all you want and insult me till you are blue - so what? The more you do it, the more you prove MY point.

Nobody insulted you. Please clarify when you do all this prospecting. You may not be able to respond due to the advertising warning but all of your posts are beach hunts in NJ. I have never seen any new posts about prospecting. Maybe you post in another section about those machines? I know you are not going prospecting in AZ during the summer. I have done it on my trip there two years ago and the heat is deadly. Something I would not do again. The desert sucks.

Terry Soloman · May 20, 2012

LOL!

So, I'm "advertising" by putting a link to my personal site? It was OK until I stood up for a brand I like, but not when I start making too much sense? Understood Craig! Goy ya!

Let's see, there are maybe what, five of you that live to attack every post I make? That really doesn't bother me at all. You guys were probably the bullies in grade school. Well, you HAVE come up on someone that will not back down under your childish and nonsensical attacks. Evry time you reply the attacks get more personal and less factual. That shines a very bright light on your mindsets. :laughing:

CanSlaw · May 20, 2012

Coon8448 said:
I usually only relic hunt but Im going to the beach for vacation and Im going to try to md there. I have never md at a beach so can yall tell me the beach hunting basics. How will the vaquero do at the beach should I stay in the dry sand or can I get into the wet sand or even shallow water?

Thanks.

Your Vaquero will do fine in the dry sand as others have said. Sorry that you came here for advise and you had to run into our Tesoro brainwashed forum junky that does not have any beach experience other than with Tesoro. He also knows how other brand owners swing their machines, in all states on all types of beaches. Best advice I can give....if you run into one of these on the beach you plan to hunt, make it an enjoyable day and run the other way. You and your family will be glad you did.

Get or make a sand good quality sand scoop and have fun. There are several good how to make a sand scoop videos on Youtube. One of the easiest is the $3.29 plastic feed scoops at a Tractor Supply Store and drill a bunch of 1/2 holes in it. http://www.tractorsupply.com/3-quart-feed-scoop-assortment-5051501

midas · May 20, 2012

A guy in my building has a Vaquero that he uses on the beach & swears by it.

Cfmct · May 20, 2012

Terry Soloman said:
LOL! So, I'm "advertising" by putting a link to my personal site? It was OK until I stood up for a brand I like, but not when I start making too much sense? Understood Craig! Goy ya!

Let's see, there are maybe what, five of you that live to attack every post I make? That really doesn't bother me at all. You guys were probably the bullies in grade school. Well, you HAVE come up on someone that will not back down under your childish and nonsensical attacks. Evry time you reply the attacks get more personal and less factual. That shines a very bright light on your mindsets.

Read the rules.. all members have to follow them...

http://metaldetectingforum.com/announcement.php?f=36

Promote your website there...

Cfmct · May 20, 2012

Terry Soloman said:
I'm trying to think of the last time I saw someone swinging an Excal or Sov on the dry sand that wasn't swinging it at least six-inches off the sand and slicing. Facts not spin. I will leave the spin to others

They are looking for fresh drops not something lost weeks ago... they only want what is in the top few inches of the dry stuff.

Coon8448 · May 20, 2012

Thanks for the advice. I'll stay in the dry sand. I got a scoop from tractor supply and about to drill holes in it. How close should I drill the holes to each other? I was hoping with the manual ground balance I could get in the wet sand but o well thats fine. Does any one know if you can detect at Florida State Park beaches? Ill actually be going to Johnson's Beach which is really close to the Alabama Florida state line.

CanSlaw · May 20, 2012

Coon8448 said:
Thanks for the advice. I'll stay in the dry sand. I got a scoop from tractor supply and about to drill holes in it. How close should I drill the holes to each other? I was hoping with the manual ground balance I could get in the wet sand but o well thats fine. Does any one know if you can detect at Florida State Park beaches? Ill actually be going to Johnson's Beach which is really close to the Alabama Florida state line.

Check with the Ranger. Every State Park in FL is different. Most do not allow water hunting, but do allow dry sand hunting UNLESS known artifacts are known to be in the area. In addition Park Rangers also have different interpenetration of the rules, so make note on who you got permission from. The Patrol Range may not be the same person. Most Rangers are great people, but I have run into that one that didn't take the job to be a nice guy.

As for the holes, look at a couple of sand scoop pictures on the internet to get an idea. You want enough hole to drain the sand fast, but not enough to weaken the scoop.

triplehooked · May 20, 2012

Coon, all the people/brand bashing aside.... the Vaquero will do great on dry sand. I've owned both the Vaquero and a Cibola....loved the Cibola with the 3x18 cleansweep coil...it's a coin vacuum at the beach for dry sand. As for the scoop idea, I did that exact thing. Use a 3/8-1/2" drill bit and go 1/2-3/4" apart. I'll warn you, it's a pain and does weaken the scoop a bit, but it's a cheap way to go. If I did it again I would get a plastic scoop, it's thicker and will maintain its structure better. They are only like $5, try both!! Good luck!
BTW... look at the bottom to see what I've used. I'm no mouth piece for anyone.

Steffen70 · May 20, 2012

Coon8448 said:
I usually only relic hunt but Im going to the beach for vacation and Im going to try to md there. I have never md at a beach so can yall tell me the beach hunting basics. How will the vaquero do at the beach should I stay in the dry sand or can I get into the wet sand or even shallow water?

Thanks.

You may want to try this tecnique - it's great on sanded in beaches, or when you have had no time to research the beach, and need to find where people congregates, ie. the towel line, or where they just likes to hang out.

Walk the beach in a wide W patern from the water and up, and when you find a target, slow down, and circle the area until there's no more targets.

Look back once in a while - after a few trips from the water to the boardwalk, you will have a clear indication about where people likes to stay, and can narrow the zig-zag patern to the most productive one.

I did'nt invent that system, but it has served me well, when I did'nt know my beach - I like to use it on sanded in beaches as well.

As writen earlier, stay in the dry sand, and discriminate Iron, dig everything else.

The tools you need for the job on the beach, will be a sand scoop (The plastic one will do fine for the occational beach hunter, as others has suggested) - I used to start out digging the target out of the hole with an old army shovel, then I used a homemade plastic scoop for sifting the sand. (a pinpointer will come in handy if you find small jewelry....)

GL on your trip, and HH.

/Steffen

Coon8448 · Jun 1, 2012

Thanks everyone for the advice. I just got back from the beach and had a good trip. I didn't get to detect but one day for a few hours because we went to a state park beach where there was no detecting except on the last day we went to a public beach just so I could detect. I stayed in the towel area. The very first beep I had was a 925 silver ring with a rose on it. I also found 17 cents and 25 pop tabs 6 fishing weights and a few beer cans. About the time I was about to quit I learned the difference between a coin and pop tab. The vaquero did really well in the dry sand and I was getting hits down to 8 inches but when I would get to close to damp sand it would go nuts.

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